Would you agree with discharging any that are found? (I would.)

http://www.aryannationsrevival.org/

from their website:

Our Purpose will be respected as Butler’s commission to every member and every man that ever spoke to him, “Spread the Word”, thus as a revival organization, we will start with the prime directive, Yahweh First, organization second. The Aryan Nations Revival will begin with what we term, a skeleton crew, there are many persons out there that have claims to the Aryan Nations, some legitimate, others false, we have lost count of claimants, and lost concern for rising a mass membership just for the sake of having an organization, our objective is to restore the credibility of the Aryan Nations, this will be done by restoring the prime directive, raising the Priesthood First. The day will come when gatherings and the politics can begin anew, this to us is an interference for our purposes present.

One must set ones house in order first, we begin again with what we were born to be, a Nation of Priests and Rulers.

Without Yahweh’s Laws, and without recognition of Yahweh’s Laws as our guide, all retaliation, resistance and purpose is based upon misguided anger, disarrayed and chaotic bonds, a loosely bound ideology is weakness, bound to fray. These days are over, this is the New Beginning, Under Yahweh, For Yahweh, as Butler would have willed.

I know and work with several Muslims and will agree with anyone who says that the vast majority of believers of Islam are good, peaceful, moral folks. But there is a significant number of them who do subscribe to violent jihadist philosophies, and it doesn’t require to large a percentage of a bilion or so folks to add up to a whole peck of trouble.

Anyways, I can easily take the Bible out of context in several places and justify terrorist acts. Does that make Christianity a bad religion?

(FYI I am a devout Christian and not a Muslim.)

I think this may well be the same type of thing. Not a controlled terrorist attack, but rather, the actions of one true believer in loyalty to his religion (of peace?)

The need for background investigations is tied to access to classified material. The higher the access, the deeper the investigation. And as I said, medical officers usually don’t need access to classified material. Regular line officers are a different matter.

Might is the operative word.

Presumably a board of psychologist, psychiatrist and/or doctors hired and promoted this guy … he also, I assume, spent his Army career amoungst psychologist, psychiatrist and doctors, and they noticed nothing strange? Sheesh.

My prayers go out to the families of the victims and to the injured. This is a very sad day.

You think we should discharge all Muslims from the Army??? Jesus, ben, that’s nuts.

Seeing as the Koran calls for a permanent state of war between Dar al-Islam (the Muslim faithful) and Dar al-Harb (everyone else) perhaps it’s not really nuts.

I actually hadn’t heard about that, but it seems to reinforce my point, though. I’d expect a special forces sergeant to go through an even more thorough check than a major in most other specialties (if the military’s priorities are correct, anyway).

Like I said, I actually agree with you – we are, after all, fighting against radicalized Islamists who’s preferred tactic involves covert and sometimes prolonged infiltration to execute a surprise attack. We need to look closely at people who match the profile. I’m just saying that it won’t catch everyone, that it probably wouldn’t have prevented this attack, and that you can only take profiling so far before it becomes tyrannical oppression.

And Chris, there was a pretty compelling show, I think on The History Channel, which did a pretty rigorous overview of the JFK assasination and found that, yes, Oswald probably did do it after all. I doubt this will mean much to you, but it was convincing.

Scary stuff when you don’t know who the bad guys are anymore.

At every General’s staff meeting for a while, the topic will be “how can we profile without getting hammered by the CAIR people”.

bb

My first thought was “sleeper cell” because of the multiple assailants and the apparently well-coordinated nature of the attack.

Dont forget that in the past Osama bin Laden had a Sergent in the US Army special forces command working as a double agent and training terrorist.

“Muslim Americans would not shoot American Soldiers. Most of the American military are Muslim. Have you looked at your neighbor lately? Christians in American better start converting if you want to live on American soil.”
the_truth_is_kept_sceret 6:05 PM

Totally PC security check no doubt.

“The bad guys” have been profiled. They are Constitutionalists, libertarians (anti-government), 2nd Amendment advocates, home-schoolers, pro-lifers, pro-American sovereignity advocates who oppose allowing and appeasing illegal immigration and subverting the U.S. under global goverance(conspiracy theorists).

The minute I heard there was a shooter in custody, but no name was given, I told my co workers it must be a middle eastern-sounding name. If it had been Billy Bob, we’d have been told immediately.

How many times does this have to happen before soldiers are allowed to carry guns? WTF?

Lots of planning went into this.

Kind of like the Warren Commission’s conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK from the rear, causing his brains to somehow explode out the back (from the entry wound and not from the exit would) and that a sleazy strip joint owner whacked Oswald a couple of days later to spare the First Lady from having to testify at Oswald’s trial.

I hope that the soldiers interrogating Hasan and his Muslim buddies are Hassidic Jews (preferrably women).

I somehow suspect that Hasan was yelling “Allah Akbar” while he was shooting unarmed soldiers and civilians.

Ben, while I do agree with your general point, I would expect that someone who’s reached the rank of major has gone through at least one good security background check without throwing up any red flags. At that point, you either have to pass him or give up any claim to equal opportunity. Profiling can only go so far before it becomes oppression.

If he did have terrorist links, they were probably well hidden enough that they wouldn’t have been found with any reasonable investigation. He was either a very deep sleeper agent, or something else screwy is involved.

Cain and Kevin above both have it right. A multi-person shooting attack isn’t ordinary criminality. And our bureaucrats have been so determined to avoid stereotyping islamic jihadists that without an official membership card and chain of command to bin Laden there is apparently no such thing as a domestic muslim terrorist.

Not ideal to use against people with rifles.

It’s sure a good thing guns aren’t allowed on base…someone might have gotten hurt or something.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more.

If you’re thinking “I remember the 5th of November” and Guy Fawkes…the attack would’ve been on Congress (Parliament)…unless there’s something else to the date I’m unaware of.

Dirt, even personnel deployed to war zones aint allowed access to weaps/ammo. In 2004, when I was working at Vandenberg AFB CA, Some of the Airmen I worked with got deployed to Afganistan and they told me when they got back that while in Afganistan their M16s were locked up in one building and the ammo was locked up in another building on the opposite side of the base from the rifles.
Plus, their was only one key for each locker and 2 different officers had those. I have no doubt had those weaps and ammo been needed either one or both officers would’ve either been missing or would’ve been unable to find the key(s). I guess the Air Force didnt learn anything from the Tet offensive in 1968 when Tan Son Knut air base was partially over-run by VC and dozens of unarmed US Airmen were killed.

It’s criminal to keep Military personnel unarmed and helpless no matter where they are, especially when you consider that Military personnel and bases are ofton targets of terrorists.

That is all, except one soldier reported hearing a gun battle (unk if the second battle or not) and definitely heard both pistol fire and rifle fire in that engagement.

ZERO eyewitness reports so far as of 1400 Pacific.

Which means nobody really knows, so they’re pulling scary terms out of their a$$es.

They don’t know any real information so they make wild guesses to fill air time. We saw the same garbage here at VT on April 16.

Military bases are effectively gun free zones.

Damn damn damn.

Not that this will change the stupid fucking policy that disarms our military, but bureaucrats heads should roll because of that policy.