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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/11/04/breast-cancer-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-231995</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And she&#039;s ignored every single comment that mentions that guns save women&#039;s live as well as taking them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And she&#8217;s ignored every single comment that mentions that guns save women&#8217;s live as well as taking them.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/11/04/breast-cancer-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-231970</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theay appear to have gotten around to posting the commants.  Most of her rebuttals focus on her saying that that the article said that firearms were one of the leading causes of &quot;violent death&quot; when earlier in the comments she stated that they were a leading cause of death period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theay appear to have gotten around to posting the commants.  Most of her rebuttals focus on her saying that that the article said that firearms were one of the leading causes of &#8220;violent death&#8221; when earlier in the comments she stated that they were a leading cause of death period.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/11/04/breast-cancer-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-231933</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They havent approved my post either, fair discussion will ensue later i am sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They havent approved my post either, fair discussion will ensue later i am sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Sorrentino</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/11/04/breast-cancer-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-231932</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Sorrentino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my attempt at &quot;Reasoned Discourse&quot; (tm)


No, you missed the point that a world class athlete, Julie Goloski, is offering for sale a copy of the exact piece of sports equipment she wins with in international competition. and a portion of the sales will be donated to Breast Cancer research. This should be about as controversial as Lance Armstrong raffling off his Tour de France bike for cancer research. 

more facts

Total # of women who die from Breast cancer in 2005
41,116
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/

Total gunshot deaths in women, all causes, including suicide (2006)
4,050  this includes 2,149 firearm suicides and 1,901 firearm homicides.
http://tinyurl.com/yjxft6e

so basically, guns are involved in less than one tenth the number of annual deaths of women than breast cancer. 

for some sort of comparison as to rarity of death by violence of all types,
http://tinyurl.com/yzyydzx

this shows how homicide deaths OF ALL CAUSES in women are ranked 15th, after heart disease, chronic respiratory disease, unintentional injury, diabetes, suicide, hypertension, and even Parkinson&#039;s Disease. 

so basically, this whole thing can break down to PR Watch shrieking &quot;EEEK a GUN!!!111eleventy!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my attempt at &#8220;Reasoned Discourse&#8221; &#8482;</p>
<p>No, you missed the point that a world class athlete, Julie Goloski, is offering for sale a copy of the exact piece of sports equipment she wins with in international competition. and a portion of the sales will be donated to Breast Cancer research. This should be about as controversial as Lance Armstrong raffling off his Tour de France bike for cancer research. </p>
<p>more facts</p>
<p>Total # of women who die from Breast cancer in 2005<br />
41,116<br />
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/</a></p>
<p>Total gunshot deaths in women, all causes, including suicide (2006)<br />
4,050  this includes 2,149 firearm suicides and 1,901 firearm homicides.<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yjxft6e" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yjxft6e</a></p>
<p>so basically, guns are involved in less than one tenth the number of annual deaths of women than breast cancer. </p>
<p>for some sort of comparison as to rarity of death by violence of all types,<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yzyydzx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yzyydzx</a></p>
<p>this shows how homicide deaths OF ALL CAUSES in women are ranked 15th, after heart disease, chronic respiratory disease, unintentional injury, diabetes, suicide, hypertension, and even Parkinson&#8217;s Disease. </p>
<p>so basically, this whole thing can break down to PR Watch shrieking &#8220;EEEK a GUN!!!111eleventy!!</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/11/04/breast-cancer-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-231923</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Laughingdog, that&#039;s what I meant actually. Should have worded it clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Laughingdog, that&#8217;s what I meant actually. Should have worded it clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mik</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/11/04/breast-cancer-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-231921</link>
		<dc:creator>Mik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from their website:

Lisa Graves Executive Director
Email: Lisa (AT) PRWatch.org

Wendell Potter Senior Fellow on Health Care
email: Editor (AT) PRWatch.org

John Stauber founder Center for Media and Democracy and its news magazine PR Watch
email: stauber AT tds.net

About CMD
The Center for Media and Democracy was founded by John Stauber in 1993 as an independent, non-profit, non-partisan, public interest organization. CMD&#039;s mission is to promote transparency and an informed debate by exposing corporate spin and government propaganda and by engaging the public in collaborative, fair and accurate reporting.

Privacy Policy
The Center for Media &amp; Democracy (CMD) believes strongly in the internet as a vital tool for education, advocacy and information exchange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from their website:</p>
<p>Lisa Graves Executive Director<br />
Email: Lisa (AT) PRWatch.org</p>
<p>Wendell Potter Senior Fellow on Health Care<br />
email: Editor (AT) PRWatch.org</p>
<p>John Stauber founder Center for Media and Democracy and its news magazine PR Watch<br />
email: stauber AT tds.net</p>
<p>About CMD<br />
The Center for Media and Democracy was founded by John Stauber in 1993 as an independent, non-profit, non-partisan, public interest organization. CMD&#8217;s mission is to promote transparency and an informed debate by exposing corporate spin and government propaganda and by engaging the public in collaborative, fair and accurate reporting.</p>
<p>Privacy Policy<br />
The Center for Media &amp; Democracy (CMD) believes strongly in the internet as a vital tool for education, advocacy and information exchange.</p>
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		<title>By: Laughingdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laughingdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Did you mean to say that guns are used in the majority of homicides of which women are the victim?&quot;

Actually, according to the CDC report the author of that post linked to, that&#039;s not true.  Guns were the leading tool used.  But about 48% of women that are murdered are killed by someone with a firearm.

I actually posted a similar comment and didn&#039;t think to copy it before clicking &quot;post&quot;.  I finished with something like &quot;since heart disease is the leading killer of women, I suppose you&#039;d be just as angry if fast food chains supported breast cancer awareness as well&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Did you mean to say that guns are used in the majority of homicides of which women are the victim?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, according to the CDC report the author of that post linked to, that&#8217;s not true.  Guns were the leading tool used.  But about 48% of women that are murdered are killed by someone with a firearm.</p>
<p>I actually posted a similar comment and didn&#8217;t think to copy it before clicking &#8220;post&#8221;.  I finished with something like &#8220;since heart disease is the leading killer of women, I suppose you&#8217;d be just as angry if fast food chains supported breast cancer awareness as well&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment has not been posted there yet either.  I responded to the comment that said guns were a &quot;leading cause of death&quot; among women.  Leading as in somwhere around 10th place, depending on what numbers you use and that&#039;s counting men and women and all deaths including gang warfare, self defense and police shootings.  I suggested that they read &quot;Armed and Female&quot; by Paxton Quigley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment has not been posted there yet either.  I responded to the comment that said guns were a &#8220;leading cause of death&#8221; among women.  Leading as in somwhere around 10th place, depending on what numbers you use and that&#8217;s counting men and women and all deaths including gang warfare, self defense and police shootings.  I suggested that they read &#8220;Armed and Female&#8221; by Paxton Quigley.</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/11/04/breast-cancer-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-231893</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course, we are unsurprised by that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course, we are unsurprised by that.</p>
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		<title>By: DirtCrashr</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/11/04/breast-cancer-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-231889</link>
		<dc:creator>DirtCrashr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently they don&#039;t like that comment as it hasn&#039;t showed-up yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently they don&#8217;t like that comment as it hasn&#8217;t showed-up yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/11/04/breast-cancer-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-231887</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. My comment was in reply to the comment posted by Anne Landman, not the main post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. My comment was in reply to the comment posted by Anne Landman, not the main post.</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted a comment. It&#039;s in moderation, pending Reasoned Discourse™ ... this is what I posted:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The leading causes of death for women are heart disease, cancer and then stroke. Not guns. In fact, guns are not a &quot;cause&quot; of death in women at all. Homicide is a CAUSE of death. 

Did you mean to say that guns are used in the majority of homicides of which women are the victim? Ok then, that&#039;s true. But why stop with gun manufacturers? Since in the overwhelming majority of homicides in which women are the victim, the perpetrator is a man, you should probably just reject any donations or support by men for the breast cancer cause as cynical nonsense. After all, men are the leading killers of women—regardless of method—so how could they possibly have an interest in supporting breast cancer research and treatment? That is literally how silly your &quot;point&quot; is.

And men are the majority of homicide victims, not women, and most of those men are killed with guns. If a gun maker donated money to testicular or prostate cancer research, nobody would be making the same ridiculous criticism you&#039;re making here. They would appreciate the donation.

&quot;This is ... roughly the equivalent of a cigarette maker selling a special pink cigarette for women, and then donating a tiny percentage of the profits from it to a women&#039;s lung cancer fund.&quot;

No, it&#039;s not even remotely equivalent. That analogy would only make sense if guns caused breast cancer. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted a comment. It&#8217;s in moderation, pending Reasoned Discourse™ &#8230; this is what I posted:</p>
<blockquote><p>The leading causes of death for women are heart disease, cancer and then stroke. Not guns. In fact, guns are not a &#8220;cause&#8221; of death in women at all. Homicide is a CAUSE of death. </p>
<p>Did you mean to say that guns are used in the majority of homicides of which women are the victim? Ok then, that&#8217;s true. But why stop with gun manufacturers? Since in the overwhelming majority of homicides in which women are the victim, the perpetrator is a man, you should probably just reject any donations or support by men for the breast cancer cause as cynical nonsense. After all, men are the leading killers of women—regardless of method—so how could they possibly have an interest in supporting breast cancer research and treatment? That is literally how silly your &#8220;point&#8221; is.</p>
<p>And men are the majority of homicide victims, not women, and most of those men are killed with guns. If a gun maker donated money to testicular or prostate cancer research, nobody would be making the same ridiculous criticism you&#8217;re making here. They would appreciate the donation.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is &#8230; roughly the equivalent of a cigarette maker selling a special pink cigarette for women, and then donating a tiny percentage of the profits from it to a women&#8217;s lung cancer fund.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not even remotely equivalent. That analogy would only make sense if guns caused breast cancer.
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