Comments on: Inconsistent http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:05:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pol Mordreth http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224846 Pol Mordreth Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:39:44 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224846 manish, there are places here that don't really serve food, but they are violating the alcohol sales law. If they get audited, they will get shut down unless they are really cooking their books. There is also no requirements for any establishments in TN to card for entry unless they allow smoking inside. The places that do card after a certain hour are doing so for their own convenience, not to meet any legal requirement. Alphonse, i will try to find that study again - i think i have to dig through Dave hardy's blog for it. Regards, Pol manish,
there are places here that don’t really serve food, but they are violating the alcohol sales law. If they get audited, they will get shut down unless they are really cooking their books. There is also no requirements for any establishments in TN to card for entry unless they allow smoking inside. The places that do card after a certain hour are doing so for their own convenience, not to meet any legal requirement.

Alphonse, i will try to find that study again – i think i have to dig through Dave hardy’s blog for it.

Regards,
Pol

]]> By: ArdRhi http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224800 ArdRhi Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:51:43 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224800 My chapter of the Pink Pistols has met for lunch at a sports bar/restaurant for the last 8 years. We go shooting afterwards. NOT ONCE has any of my people EVER ordered alcoholic beverage while there, while carrying a firearm. Not one time in 8 years. My people would sooner jump into a swimming pool full of rusty razor blades than drink while carrying. Individual responsibility is their life's blood. Note that this is in Pennsylvania, which has never had a restriction on carrying in "establishments that serve alcohol". My chapter of the Pink Pistols has met for lunch at a sports bar/restaurant for the last 8 years. We go shooting afterwards. NOT ONCE has any of my people EVER ordered alcoholic beverage while there, while carrying a firearm. Not one time in 8 years.

My people would sooner jump into a swimming pool full of rusty razor blades than drink while carrying. Individual responsibility is their life’s blood. Note that this is in Pennsylvania, which has never had a restriction on carrying in “establishments that serve alcohol”.

]]> By: alphonse http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224799 alphonse Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:46:33 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224799 pol, you say: "Remember, police are convicted of violent felonies at a rate of around 8 times what permit holders do nationally." Do you have a source for that handy? pol, you say:

“Remember, police are convicted of violent felonies at a rate of around 8 times what permit holders do nationally.”

Do you have a source for that handy?

]]> By: Howie Feltersnatch http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224795 Howie Feltersnatch Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:51:16 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224795 An oldie but a goodie. I give him credit for the little speech at the 1:23 mark. I guess he realized his government job and pension might be at stake. Emphasis on the "might" given the way most jurisdictions civil service rules work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw-jTCNZSmY http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/gunsafety.asp An oldie but a goodie. I give him credit for the little speech at the 1:23 mark. I guess he realized his government job and pension might be at stake. Emphasis on the “might” given the way most jurisdictions civil service rules work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw-jTCNZSmY

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/gunsafety.asp

]]> By: Manish http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224792 Manish Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:34:38 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224792 Pol..I haven't lived in TN for about 10 years, but as I recall, there were establishments that didn't really sell food and primarily sold booze. In California, there is a distinction (I think its whether you have more than 50% of your sales as alcohol sales). Bars don't allow under-age patrons, while restaurants do allow under-age patrons and there are other such rules. Pol..I haven’t lived in TN for about 10 years, but as I recall, there were establishments that didn’t really sell food and primarily sold booze. In California, there is a distinction (I think its whether you have more than 50% of your sales as alcohol sales). Bars don’t allow under-age patrons, while restaurants do allow under-age patrons and there are other such rules.

]]> By: Sailorcurt http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224790 Sailorcurt Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:12:56 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224790 My apologies. You are, of course, correct. I should have tempered my characterization a little bit. Tim Kaine ran on a pro-2A platform, but has vetoed virtually every pro-gun bill that has reached his desk. I'd trade him for Bredesen any day. Fortunately, both of the contenders in the upcoming VA gubernatorial race have strong pro-2A records so, unless there is a sea change in the General Assembly (not likely), we've got a pretty bright outlook for the next four years. My apologies. You are, of course, correct. I should have tempered my characterization a little bit.

Tim Kaine ran on a pro-2A platform, but has vetoed virtually every pro-gun bill that has reached his desk. I’d trade him for Bredesen any day.

Fortunately, both of the contenders in the upcoming VA gubernatorial race have strong pro-2A records so, unless there is a sea change in the General Assembly (not likely), we’ve got a pretty bright outlook for the next four years.

]]> By: Pol Mordreth http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224779 Pol Mordreth Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:15:22 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224779 manish: There are no bars in Tennessee. Period. You have to be a restaurant to serve alcohol for on premises consumption. The prior law did not allow permit holders or police not on official business to carry in establishments that server alcohol. The 2 new exceptions to the prohibition on weapons in these establishments are for police officers, whether on duty or off, and for permit holders. Uncle is pointing out the hypocracy of the media in calling these places 'bars' for one of those exceptions and 'establishments that serve alcohol' for the other. Remember, police are convicted of violent felonies at a rate of around 8 times what permit holders do nationally. They are more dangerous, not less, than permit holders. Regards, Pol manish:
There are no bars in Tennessee. Period. You have to be a restaurant to serve alcohol for on premises consumption. The prior law did not allow permit holders or police not on official business to carry in establishments that server alcohol. The 2 new exceptions to the prohibition on weapons in these establishments are for police officers, whether on duty or off, and for permit holders. Uncle is pointing out the hypocracy of the media in calling these places ‘bars’ for one of those exceptions and ‘establishments that serve alcohol’ for the other.

Remember, police are convicted of violent felonies at a rate of around 8 times what permit holders do nationally. They are more dangerous, not less, than permit holders.

Regards,
Pol

]]> By: Manish http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224778 Manish Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:56:16 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224778 <i>When it’s for police they refer to establishments that serve alcohol. When it’s for handgun carry permit holders, they’re all bars.</i> not sure of the specifics of either bill, but "establishments that serve alcohol" would include restaurants while the term "bar" implies a place that is primarily a place to have a drink. When it’s for police they refer to establishments that serve alcohol. When it’s for handgun carry permit holders, they’re all bars.

not sure of the specifics of either bill, but “establishments that serve alcohol” would include restaurants while the term “bar” implies a place that is primarily a place to have a drink.

]]> By: ATLien http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224776 ATLien Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:25:19 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224776 You see now why a lot of people have a "destroy them all" mentality? You see now why a lot of people have a “destroy them all” mentality?

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224769 SayUncle Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:28:18 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224769 Actually, the governor has been pro-gun on every gun bill but that one. Actually, the governor has been pro-gun on every gun bill but that one.

]]> By: JKB http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224768 JKB Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:25:48 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224768 Firstly, the Governor obviously has Congressional aspirations since he apparently hadn't read the bill when he vetoed it. A crowded bar at midnight would almost exclusively be one that was restricted to 21 and over, thus carry wouldn't be permitted. Secondly, off duty police have carried in "establishments the serve alcohol" already. They had little fear of legal issues if found out since the other cops would ignore it. Were they involved in a shooting, it would be better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Firstly, the Governor obviously has Congressional aspirations since he apparently hadn’t read the bill when he vetoed it. A crowded bar at midnight would almost exclusively be one that was restricted to 21 and over, thus carry wouldn’t be permitted.

Secondly, off duty police have carried in “establishments the serve alcohol” already. They had little fear of legal issues if found out since the other cops would ignore it. Were they involved in a shooting, it would be better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

]]> By: Sailorcurt http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224767 Sailorcurt Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:12:07 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224767 At least the anti-gunners are consistently inconsistent. The same things happened in Virginia. Two years ago, Kaine vetoed a law that would allow CHP holders to carry concealed in restaurants that serve alcohol (Virginia doesn't have bars) provided they didn't drink...a few days later, he signed a law that allowed Commonwealth's attorneys to carry concealed, WITHOUT A LICENSE or any training, in those same establishments...with NO prohibition on drinking while carrying. This one wasn't even about cops who, on paper anyway, are trained...this was about LAWYERS carrying concealed firearms with no training required. BTW: I second Reputo's comment about alcohol being a dandy cleaner/degreaser for firearms. Only I recommend using denatured alcohol only because it's cheaper...no sin taxes on it. At least the anti-gunners are consistently inconsistent.

The same things happened in Virginia. Two years ago, Kaine vetoed a law that would allow CHP holders to carry concealed in restaurants that serve alcohol (Virginia doesn’t have bars) provided they didn’t drink…a few days later, he signed a law that allowed Commonwealth’s attorneys to carry concealed, WITHOUT A LICENSE or any training, in those same establishments…with NO prohibition on drinking while carrying.

This one wasn’t even about cops who, on paper anyway, are trained…this was about LAWYERS carrying concealed firearms with no training required.

BTW: I second Reputo’s comment about alcohol being a dandy cleaner/degreaser for firearms. Only I recommend using denatured alcohol only because it’s cheaper…no sin taxes on it.

]]> By: Reputo http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/07/13/inconsistent-2/comment-page-1/#comment-224763 Reputo Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:16:21 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=27123#comment-224763 Why is everyone all about guns and alcohol don't mix? Alcohol is a decent solvent and can be used to clean firearms (ok, it is not as good as some other solvents, but lacking anything else it will do). The great thing about it is it evaporates quickly so wiping up spills is a breeze. Now I wouldn't advise using beer to clean your sidearm, but if you are in a bar and feel the need, order a shot or two of Everclear and you should be fine. Why is everyone all about guns and alcohol don’t mix? Alcohol is a decent solvent and can be used to clean firearms (ok, it is not as good as some other solvents, but lacking anything else it will do). The great thing about it is it evaporates quickly so wiping up spills is a breeze. Now I wouldn’t advise using beer to clean your sidearm, but if you are in a bar and feel the need, order a shot or two of Everclear and you should be fine.

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