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		<title>By: KCSteve</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/06/18/actually-its-41-now/comment-page-1/#comment-223443</link>
		<dc:creator>KCSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missouri law allows carry in places that serve alcohol - no problems reported.

*Bars* - less than 51% of revenue from non-boozed sales are also allowed with permission from the owner / manager.  Once again, no problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missouri law allows carry in places that serve alcohol &#8211; no problems reported.</p>
<p>*Bars* &#8211; less than 51% of revenue from non-boozed sales are also allowed with permission from the owner / manager.  Once again, no problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikee</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/06/18/actually-its-41-now/comment-page-1/#comment-223441</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Bitter&#039;s more sensitive words, the accuracy of his data is &quot;not appropriate for the argument.&quot; The anti-rights side of the argument is using BS to argue. The BS is: large numbers of law-abiding persons will break the law while carrying in a restaurant, by drinking to the point that they become trigger happy buffoons. That is an insane argument.

It is very silly to have to argue details of the type of paint used, when the big picture shows only a unicorn, and the subject under discussion is not unicorns, but horses. And the picture is not just a unicorn, but one with zebra stripes and feathered wings, ridden by drunken gun wielding licensees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Bitter&#8217;s more sensitive words, the accuracy of his data is &#8220;not appropriate for the argument.&#8221; The anti-rights side of the argument is using BS to argue. The BS is: large numbers of law-abiding persons will break the law while carrying in a restaurant, by drinking to the point that they become trigger happy buffoons. That is an insane argument.</p>
<p>It is very silly to have to argue details of the type of paint used, when the big picture shows only a unicorn, and the subject under discussion is not unicorns, but horses. And the picture is not just a unicorn, but one with zebra stripes and feathered wings, ridden by drunken gun wielding licensees.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/06/18/actually-its-41-now/comment-page-1/#comment-223426</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the cynics who say he&#039;ll never get the research, I wouldn&#039;t be so quick to judge.  In my experience, alternative papers are the most demanding when it comes to having the information backed up.  Based on what I&#039;m reading here, it looks like it might be accurate, but not appropriate for the argument.  That&#039;s a different battle.

When I have written and submitted op-eds for alternative papers, I usually have to send tons of background information because they don&#039;t take much on face value.  (It&#039;s rather refreshing even though most PR people would consider it a waste of time.)  When I&#039;ve done interviews with alternative paper reporters, I found they went and researched almost every source I gave them for more facts.  In all honesty, I believe you get a more fair shake from the average alt weekly reporter than you do from MSM reporters.  Sometimes they get it wrong, but I&#039;ve found it&#039;s usually based on interpretation or misunderstanding.  From the sounds of the people who looked into it, it would seem the error might fall into one of these areas.  But good for Uncle for having a little faith to make the request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the cynics who say he&#8217;ll never get the research, I wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to judge.  In my experience, alternative papers are the most demanding when it comes to having the information backed up.  Based on what I&#8217;m reading here, it looks like it might be accurate, but not appropriate for the argument.  That&#8217;s a different battle.</p>
<p>When I have written and submitted op-eds for alternative papers, I usually have to send tons of background information because they don&#8217;t take much on face value.  (It&#8217;s rather refreshing even though most PR people would consider it a waste of time.)  When I&#8217;ve done interviews with alternative paper reporters, I found they went and researched almost every source I gave them for more facts.  In all honesty, I believe you get a more fair shake from the average alt weekly reporter than you do from MSM reporters.  Sometimes they get it wrong, but I&#8217;ve found it&#8217;s usually based on interpretation or misunderstanding.  From the sounds of the people who looked into it, it would seem the error might fall into one of these areas.  But good for Uncle for having a little faith to make the request.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the analysis Rau cites is that the analysis in no way matches the premise. Here&#039;s the first paragraph of Rau&#039;s article:

&quot;So, do 37 other states have laws similar to the one Tennessee’s legislature passed this month allowing guns in establishments that serve alcohol?&quot;

The analysis he cites only considers states that have shall-issue concealed carry permits. 

Here&#039;s why the analysis fails. There are states (like California) that are may-issue but that allow guns to be conceal carried in restaurants that serve alcohol. Likewise, there are states (like Montana) that allow guns in restaurants that serve alcohol if the guns are carried openly, rather than concealed.

Lau totally blew it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the analysis Rau cites is that the analysis in no way matches the premise. Here&#8217;s the first paragraph of Rau&#8217;s article:</p>
<p>&#8220;So, do 37 other states have laws similar to the one Tennessee’s legislature passed this month allowing guns in establishments that serve alcohol?&#8221;</p>
<p>The analysis he cites only considers states that have shall-issue concealed carry permits. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s why the analysis fails. There are states (like California) that are may-issue but that allow guns to be conceal carried in restaurants that serve alcohol. Likewise, there are states (like Montana) that allow guns in restaurants that serve alcohol if the guns are carried openly, rather than concealed.</p>
<p>Lau totally blew it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikee</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/06/18/actually-its-41-now/comment-page-1/#comment-223419</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what if he is correct, or close to correct, or even half correct? The fundamental point is that he is arguing that law abiding persons will become crazed killers when they wipe their feet on the mat inside a restaurant door, when they were nice, normal people just a few feet outside the restaurant. This is the insane part of his argument. It should be emphasized that he is making an insane argument.

Has any state that allows carry into either restaurants where alcohol is served, or into bars, or allows carrying licensees to drink (Florida, I believe) experienced a problem with it? Not that the anti-gun folks could find, or I think it would have been publicized.


Illogical (insane)  arguments are not supported by data not related to the insane part of the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if he is correct, or close to correct, or even half correct? The fundamental point is that he is arguing that law abiding persons will become crazed killers when they wipe their feet on the mat inside a restaurant door, when they were nice, normal people just a few feet outside the restaurant. This is the insane part of his argument. It should be emphasized that he is making an insane argument.</p>
<p>Has any state that allows carry into either restaurants where alcohol is served, or into bars, or allows carrying licensees to drink (Florida, I believe) experienced a problem with it? Not that the anti-gun folks could find, or I think it would have been publicized.</p>
<p>Illogical (insane)  arguments are not supported by data not related to the insane part of the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Pol Mordreth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pol Mordreth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Unc, I bet I know how he is getting this result. He looked for laws prohibiting firearms in bars. There is no such thing here in TN as a legal matter. In order to serve liquor or wine, you must be a restaurant. You must make 51% of your revenue from food, be open at least 5 days, and have a real kitchen.  If you do not, you cannot serve. You can serve beer without being a restaurant, but under the new law you cannot carry there. 

I have only looked at the laws that pertain to restaurants that serve alcohol, not bars, in other states, and there are 41 that currently allow carry. I would suspect that many of those states have &#039;bars&#039; defines under law and prohibit carry there. 

I think that this lawyer is knowingly using deceptive language to confuse the issue.

Regards, 
Pol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Unc, I bet I know how he is getting this result. He looked for laws prohibiting firearms in bars. There is no such thing here in TN as a legal matter. In order to serve liquor or wine, you must be a restaurant. You must make 51% of your revenue from food, be open at least 5 days, and have a real kitchen.  If you do not, you cannot serve. You can serve beer without being a restaurant, but under the new law you cannot carry there. </p>
<p>I have only looked at the laws that pertain to restaurants that serve alcohol, not bars, in other states, and there are 41 that currently allow carry. I would suspect that many of those states have &#8216;bars&#8217; defines under law and prohibit carry there. </p>
<p>I think that this lawyer is knowingly using deceptive language to confuse the issue.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Pol</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;“The ultimate victory, if it would ever happen, would be for the court to recognize a constitutional right to be free from gun violence, public or private,” Smith said.&lt;/em&gt;

But hammer violence... I guess there&#039;s jsut no right to be free from that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“The ultimate victory, if it would ever happen, would be for the court to recognize a constitutional right to be free from gun violence, public or private,” Smith said.</em></p>
<p>But hammer violence&#8230; I guess there&#8217;s jsut no right to be free from that.</p>
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		<title>By: bob r</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“The ultimate victory, if it would ever happen, would be for the court to recognize a constitutional right to be free from gun violence, public or private,” Smith said.&lt;/i&gt;

I think that would be covered by the 9th amendment to the U.S. Constitution.  Also covered by statute in most (all?) states. 

Still, anybody who believes “gun possession = gun violence” _is_ an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“The ultimate victory, if it would ever happen, would be for the court to recognize a constitutional right to be free from gun violence, public or private,” Smith said.</i></p>
<p>I think that would be covered by the 9th amendment to the U.S. Constitution.  Also covered by statute in most (all?) states. </p>
<p>Still, anybody who believes “gun possession = gun violence” _is_ an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Rustmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and I wouldn&#039;t hold your breath waiting for that &quot;research&quot;, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and I wouldn&#8217;t hold your breath waiting for that &#8220;research&#8221;, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/06/18/actually-its-41-now/comment-page-1/#comment-223405</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the attorney who did the &quot;research&quot; also seems to believe the &quot;gun possession = gun violence&quot; idiocy:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The ultimate victory, if it would ever happen, would be for the court to recognize a constitutional right to be free from gun violence, public or private,&quot; Smith said.&lt;/i&gt;

Somehow, I get the feeling his &quot;research&quot; results are just a teeny bit biased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the attorney who did the &#8220;research&#8221; also seems to believe the &#8220;gun possession = gun violence&#8221; idiocy:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The ultimate victory, if it would ever happen, would be for the court to recognize a constitutional right to be free from gun violence, public or private,&#8221; Smith said.</i></p>
<p>Somehow, I get the feeling his &#8220;research&#8221; results are just a teeny bit biased.</p>
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		<title>By: HardCorps</title>
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		<dc:creator>HardCorps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count of times I&#039;ve shot someone there: 0
Count of anyone knowning I&#039;m packing: 0
Count of premises I&#039;ve been packing in and had a beer: 1000+</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count of times I&#8217;ve shot someone there: 0<br />
Count of anyone knowning I&#8217;m packing: 0<br />
Count of premises I&#8217;ve been packing in and had a beer: 1000+</p>
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		<title>By: HardCorps</title>
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		<dc:creator>HardCorps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alcohol service in Oregon in now way prohibits carrying in that premises. I go to restaurants, bars, nightclubs (can&#039;t grind though), strip clubs (no lap dances), and brew pubs with impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alcohol service in Oregon in now way prohibits carrying in that premises. I go to restaurants, bars, nightclubs (can&#8217;t grind though), strip clubs (no lap dances), and brew pubs with impunity.</p>
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