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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212906</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Manish:&lt;/b&gt;

Still tilting at facty windmills, I see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Manish:</b></p>
<p>Still tilting at facty windmills, I see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Manish</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212878</link>
		<dc:creator>Manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one of the judges &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2009/01/06/5639/recount_judge_blasts_wall_street_journal&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;responds&lt;/a&gt;

a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/01/did-wall-street-jorunal-fire-their-fact.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fisking&lt;/a&gt; of the editorial

and even &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022489.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;powerline&lt;/a&gt; isn&#039;t sympathetic to the WSJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of the judges <a href="http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2009/01/06/5639/recount_judge_blasts_wall_street_journal" rel="nofollow">responds</a></p>
<p>a <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/01/did-wall-street-jorunal-fire-their-fact.html" rel="nofollow">fisking</a> of the editorial</p>
<p>and even <a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022489.php" rel="nofollow">powerline</a> isn&#8217;t sympathetic to the WSJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Yosemite Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212746</link>
		<dc:creator>Yosemite Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohio 2004?!?!

WTF, I thought that the guy who got the most votes should win? I thought the Electoral College was bad?

Even if Kerry had won Ohio, Bush still would have gotten more votes in 2004.

I guess the rules of the game are variable depending on the desired outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohio 2004?!?!</p>
<p>WTF, I thought that the guy who got the most votes should win? I thought the Electoral College was bad?</p>
<p>Even if Kerry had won Ohio, Bush still would have gotten more votes in 2004.</p>
<p>I guess the rules of the game are variable depending on the desired outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212737</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone knows about Florida 2000, whether you agree or disagree.
Ohio 2004 (decided that election) had at least six precincts with more votes for Bush than total registered voters - not just more votes cast for Bush and Kerry together, more for Bush period. And the wack job Ohio state official running for RNC chairman certified it - no questions.
Maybe it&#039;s karma, or what goes around comes around, or whatever.
Fuck Coleman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone knows about Florida 2000, whether you agree or disagree.<br />
Ohio 2004 (decided that election) had at least six precincts with more votes for Bush than total registered voters &#8211; not just more votes cast for Bush and Kerry together, more for Bush period. And the wack job Ohio state official running for RNC chairman certified it &#8211; no questions.<br />
Maybe it&#8217;s karma, or what goes around comes around, or whatever.<br />
Fuck Coleman.</p>
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		<title>By: Manish</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212734</link>
		<dc:creator>Manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sebastian-PGP, unfortunately Franken did steal it. When every single last “lost” or “misplaced” ballot is for a single candidate, something is wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry, but your wrong.  The misplaced ballots went both ways.  Furthermore, every decision was made to include as many voters as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sebastian-PGP, unfortunately Franken did steal it. When every single last “lost” or “misplaced” ballot is for a single candidate, something is wrong.</i></p>
<p>Sorry, but your wrong.  The misplaced ballots went both ways.  Furthermore, every decision was made to include as many voters as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Buist</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212733</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Buist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d like to see some substantiation for the idea that one party or the other steals more elections&lt;/blockquote&gt;I sure as hell can&#039;t find it.

Every race I mentioned above went to recount.  I found other races where they were very, very close, but discarded them for failure to enact a recount.  Seems pretty even to me.

I could do a quick VPC-style study though.  

Google hits on &quot;republicans steal election&quot; : 9
Google hits on &quot;democrats steal election&quot;: 15

There we have it.  Democrats steal elections 5:3 over Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’d like to see some substantiation for the idea that one party or the other steals more elections</p></blockquote>
<p>I sure as hell can&#8217;t find it.</p>
<p>Every race I mentioned above went to recount.  I found other races where they were very, very close, but discarded them for failure to enact a recount.  Seems pretty even to me.</p>
<p>I could do a quick VPC-style study though.  </p>
<p>Google hits on &#8220;republicans steal election&#8221; : 9<br />
Google hits on &#8220;democrats steal election&#8221;: 15</p>
<p>There we have it.  Democrats steal elections 5:3 over Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian-PGP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian-PGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see some substantiation for the idea that one party or the other steals more elections.  Not that I&#039;m wild about Franken, but sorry guys, can&#039;t get behind this.  Not sure how your claims here are any different than guys on DU or DKos insisting the GOP steals more elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see some substantiation for the idea that one party or the other steals more elections.  Not that I&#8217;m wild about Franken, but sorry guys, can&#8217;t get behind this.  Not sure how your claims here are any different than guys on DU or DKos insisting the GOP steals more elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Buist</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212731</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Buist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just take a look at all the elections where there was a recount in the last ten or fifteen years. Who won the recounts? One should expect about a 50-50 split. I don’t think that is what you will find.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Minnesota US Senate Seat 2008:  Democrat
Washington Governor 2004: Democrat
Florida POTUS 2000:  Republican
Indiana&#039;s 9th District 2004:  Republican
Virginia&#039;s 5th District 2008:  Democrat
North Carolina&#039;s 8th District 2006: Republican
Florida&#039;s 13th District 2006:  Republican

Alright, that&#039;s all I can find right now. It&#039;s not really lopsided for either side.  Republicans can win recounts too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just take a look at all the elections where there was a recount in the last ten or fifteen years. Who won the recounts? One should expect about a 50-50 split. I don’t think that is what you will find.</p></blockquote>
<p>Minnesota US Senate Seat 2008:  Democrat<br />
Washington Governor 2004: Democrat<br />
Florida POTUS 2000:  Republican<br />
Indiana&#8217;s 9th District 2004:  Republican<br />
Virginia&#8217;s 5th District 2008:  Democrat<br />
North Carolina&#8217;s 8th District 2006: Republican<br />
Florida&#8217;s 13th District 2006:  Republican</p>
<p>Alright, that&#8217;s all I can find right now. It&#8217;s not really lopsided for either side.  Republicans can win recounts too.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really, anticitizenone.  Check chapter 12 of &quot;&lt;i&gt;Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Idiot&lt;/i&gt;&quot; the next time you&#039;re by a library.

The man blames the NRA for gunshot victims, thinks Clinton&#039;s gun control policies were instrumental in the 1990 reduction in violent crime, and a half-dozen other idiocies.  This... wonderful coincidence is the last thing gun owners needed as a BHO administration started thinking about what right-wing hobby they wanted to castrate first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really, anticitizenone.  Check chapter 12 of &#8220;<i>Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Idiot</i>&#8221; the next time you&#8217;re by a library.</p>
<p>The man blames the NRA for gunshot victims, thinks Clinton&#8217;s gun control policies were instrumental in the 1990 reduction in violent crime, and a half-dozen other idiocies.  This&#8230; wonderful coincidence is the last thing gun owners needed as a BHO administration started thinking about what right-wing hobby they wanted to castrate first.</p>
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		<title>By: AntiCitizenOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>AntiCitizenOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t Franken safe on guns so far though?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t Franken safe on guns so far though?</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212724</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian-PGP, unfortunately Franken did steal it. When &lt;b&gt;every single last &quot;lost&quot; or &quot;misplaced&quot; ballot&lt;/b&gt; is for a single candidate, something is wrong.

What this is doing is lowering the faith of the populace that the electoral system is working. I don&#039;t actually feel the winners are actually the ones with the most votes any more. I mean, I could understand a recount that had a few dozen numbers change, but hundreds to thousands of &quot;errors&quot; indicates a system that isn&#039;t working.

I work at a company with PETABYTES of data. Even .001% bad data is going to wreck our statistics, and we don&#039;t hold the future of the American nation in our hands.

The more stolen elections (and sorry, but they are primarily Democrats) the less people like me are going to be willing to go along with the laws. I will work within the system insofar as the system works.

After that... I shudder to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian-PGP, unfortunately Franken did steal it. When <b>every single last &#8220;lost&#8221; or &#8220;misplaced&#8221; ballot</b> is for a single candidate, something is wrong.</p>
<p>What this is doing is lowering the faith of the populace that the electoral system is working. I don&#8217;t actually feel the winners are actually the ones with the most votes any more. I mean, I could understand a recount that had a few dozen numbers change, but hundreds to thousands of &#8220;errors&#8221; indicates a system that isn&#8217;t working.</p>
<p>I work at a company with PETABYTES of data. Even .001% bad data is going to wreck our statistics, and we don&#8217;t hold the future of the American nation in our hands.</p>
<p>The more stolen elections (and sorry, but they are primarily Democrats) the less people like me are going to be willing to go along with the laws. I will work within the system insofar as the system works.</p>
<p>After that&#8230; I shudder to think.</p>
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		<title>By: Justthisguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justthisguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N.B. I wrote &quot;in my dreams&quot; above, to say that I don&#039;t really want to do violence to  manish, nor do I want anyone else to do that. I was just, like, imagining....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N.B. I wrote &#8220;in my dreams&#8221; above, to say that I don&#8217;t really want to do violence to  manish, nor do I want anyone else to do that. I was just, like, imagining&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Justthisguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justthisguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>manish makes me think of that Chinese &quot;student&quot; which Steve McQueen met at the boom in &quot;The Sand Pebbles.&quot;  Yes, manish. a good sharp lick with an axe in yer solar plexus is just what you need. 

(in my dreams)

OMG I hate commies.

After we take care of them, we&#039;ll get the Republicans. (f&#039;in yankees!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>manish makes me think of that Chinese &#8220;student&#8221; which Steve McQueen met at the boom in &#8220;The Sand Pebbles.&#8221;  Yes, manish. a good sharp lick with an axe in yer solar plexus is just what you need. </p>
<p>(in my dreams)</p>
<p>OMG I hate commies.</p>
<p>After we take care of them, we&#8217;ll get the Republicans. (f&#8217;in yankees!)</p>
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		<title>By: emdfl</title>
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		<dc:creator>emdfl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manish needs to go back to MN and observe that in EVERY instance that new ballots were &quot;found&quot; or old totals rechecked the results ALWAYS favored Franken.  Don&#039;t even start babbling about republicans &quot;stealing&quot; elections.  That&#039;s so stupid that only a lefty or a lib would even say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manish needs to go back to MN and observe that in EVERY instance that new ballots were &#8220;found&#8221; or old totals rechecked the results ALWAYS favored Franken.  Don&#8217;t even start babbling about republicans &#8220;stealing&#8221; elections.  That&#8217;s so stupid that only a lefty or a lib would even say it.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>err, we should only consider ballots equal to the number of registered voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>err, we should only consider ballots equal to the number of registered voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Manish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha ha ha..of course, we should only consider ballots counted on election day if it favors the Republican.  Hennepin County documented a missing envelope filled with ballots, but to the WSJ that means that there isn&#039;t any proof that there were missing ballots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha ha ha..of course, we should only consider ballots counted on election day if it favors the Republican.  Hennepin County documented a missing envelope filled with ballots, but to the WSJ that means that there isn&#8217;t any proof that there were missing ballots.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like it&#039;s his turn to drive the forklift!
(obligatory &#039;Trading Places&#039; reference)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like it&#8217;s his turn to drive the forklift!<br />
(obligatory &#8216;Trading Places&#8217; reference)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what is more sad is the people that legitimately voted for Franken.  Those people make me want to vomit.  Too bad the people in minnesota do not seem as smart as the floridians back in 2000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what is more sad is the people that legitimately voted for Franken.  Those people make me want to vomit.  Too bad the people in minnesota do not seem as smart as the floridians back in 2000.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hands down, when an election is decided &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; Election Day, Democrats win by an overwhelming majority.  It really makes me think that a runoff election isn&#039;t such a bad idea.  When Obama didn&#039;t have coattails in Georgia and Louisiana, the GOP won.  I mean the GOP knocked out Bill Jefferson - no one saw that coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hands down, when an election is decided <i>after</i> Election Day, Democrats win by an overwhelming majority.  It really makes me think that a runoff election isn&#8217;t such a bad idea.  When Obama didn&#8217;t have coattails in Georgia and Louisiana, the GOP won.  I mean the GOP knocked out Bill Jefferson &#8211; no one saw that coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Huffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Huffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_Jon, yes.

I forget who it was but some Democrat &quot;organizer&quot; had a reputation of being able to win any election that was within 0.5% or something. He was sent in to do his work when they wanted to challenge an election and was very, very good at his job.

Just take a look at all the elections where there was a recount in the last ten or fifteen years. Who won the recounts? One should expect about a 50-50 split. I don&#039;t think that is what you will find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>_Jon, yes.</p>
<p>I forget who it was but some Democrat &#8220;organizer&#8221; had a reputation of being able to win any election that was within 0.5% or something. He was sent in to do his work when they wanted to challenge an election and was very, very good at his job.</p>
<p>Just take a look at all the elections where there was a recount in the last ten or fifteen years. Who won the recounts? One should expect about a 50-50 split. I don&#8217;t think that is what you will find.</p>
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		<title>By: _Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212696</link>
		<dc:creator>_Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the holiday, I was discussing politics with my family.

An interesting conspiracy theory was floated: Could it be that the Democrats have been doing a lot of cheating over the past decade and that is why they were so furious over losing in 2000?  We&#039;ve seen that liberals are good at &#039;projecting&#039; (that is, claiming an opponent is cheating when - in fact - they are cheating).  Could it be that the Dems cheated so much in 2000 that they figured the _only_ way they could have lost is if the other side cheated more?

Could that be why they were so angry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the holiday, I was discussing politics with my family.</p>
<p>An interesting conspiracy theory was floated: Could it be that the Democrats have been doing a lot of cheating over the past decade and that is why they were so furious over losing in 2000?  We&#8217;ve seen that liberals are good at &#8216;projecting&#8217; (that is, claiming an opponent is cheating when &#8211; in fact &#8211; they are cheating).  Could it be that the Dems cheated so much in 2000 that they figured the _only_ way they could have lost is if the other side cheated more?</p>
<p>Could that be why they were so angry?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian-PGP</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2009/01/05/more-ballots-than-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-212694</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian-PGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter who won, you know the other side was gonna say the election was stolen.  What a goat fuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter who won, you know the other side was gonna say the election was stolen.  What a goat fuck.</p>
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