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		<title>By: Devich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a pediatrician myself, I always ask people if they have guns.  I appreciate when parents tell me they have guns in the home, just as I appreciate it when they tell me that they have a pick-up truck with no backseat.  Just as I can remind them to lock up medications and caustic cleaners, I can remind them to always wear eye protection and ear protection when using firearms.  And to always turn off the airbags, if they *have* to put the carseat in the front seat of the pickup.  Indeed, Texas physicians are probably different from those in Massachusetts.  The only accidents from guns that I have seen in West Texas have been those by people who would rather be ignorant about guns, than to learn how to properly use them.  Statistics be damned, I see what I see in my own practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a pediatrician myself, I always ask people if they have guns.  I appreciate when parents tell me they have guns in the home, just as I appreciate it when they tell me that they have a pick-up truck with no backseat.  Just as I can remind them to lock up medications and caustic cleaners, I can remind them to always wear eye protection and ear protection when using firearms.  And to always turn off the airbags, if they *have* to put the carseat in the front seat of the pickup.  Indeed, Texas physicians are probably different from those in Massachusetts.  The only accidents from guns that I have seen in West Texas have been those by people who would rather be ignorant about guns, than to learn how to properly use them.  Statistics be damned, I see what I see in my own practice.</p>
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		<title>By: JJR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Unc, and great attempt at some &quot;outreach&quot;.

  I hope you get through to Katie on some level.  Let us know if she actually agrees to practice shooting with you at the range anytime soon.

Depending on the age of her daughters, I hope her husband takes the time someday soon to teach them the basics of gun safety, etc.  There are some good resources out there about parenting responsibly with firearms, finding that balance between safe storage and having a firearm ready for use quickly in an emergency.  The dynamics are different for a single, childless male like me (I&#039;ve got several loaded revolvers around the house and a pump-shotty in cruiser ready mode) and a married couple with kids; But they should take the time to educate themselves on their best options.

Some criminals might turn around and leave upon merely hearing the action cycle on a pump shotgun.  Others, the kind that are strung out on PCP or other drugs, it might take a blast of 12ga buckshot to put them down...the kind of crazed thug you *don&#039;t* want to engage with a baseball bat/machete at close quarters.

Katie may profess not to be &quot;anti-gun&quot; but she certainly has been swayed by a lot of anti-gun kool-aid/rhetoric.  Let&#039;s hope Unc&#039;s calm, rational approach sinks in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Unc, and great attempt at some &#8220;outreach&#8221;.</p>
<p>  I hope you get through to Katie on some level.  Let us know if she actually agrees to practice shooting with you at the range anytime soon.</p>
<p>Depending on the age of her daughters, I hope her husband takes the time someday soon to teach them the basics of gun safety, etc.  There are some good resources out there about parenting responsibly with firearms, finding that balance between safe storage and having a firearm ready for use quickly in an emergency.  The dynamics are different for a single, childless male like me (I&#8217;ve got several loaded revolvers around the house and a pump-shotty in cruiser ready mode) and a married couple with kids; But they should take the time to educate themselves on their best options.</p>
<p>Some criminals might turn around and leave upon merely hearing the action cycle on a pump shotgun.  Others, the kind that are strung out on PCP or other drugs, it might take a blast of 12ga buckshot to put them down&#8230;the kind of crazed thug you *don&#8217;t* want to engage with a baseball bat/machete at close quarters.</p>
<p>Katie may profess not to be &#8220;anti-gun&#8221; but she certainly has been swayed by a lot of anti-gun kool-aid/rhetoric.  Let&#8217;s hope Unc&#8217;s calm, rational approach sinks in.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do they also ask about other cleaning supplies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do they also ask about other cleaning supplies?</p>
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		<title>By: JWilliams</title>
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		<dc:creator>JWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife pointed out that the Dr&#039;s may want to know about guns in the home because of the cleaning solvents that we use to maintain them... that I could understand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife pointed out that the Dr&#8217;s may want to know about guns in the home because of the cleaning solvents that we use to maintain them&#8230; that I could understand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: georgeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way to deal with this is to say &quot;that question was impertinent, and it just cost you a client&quot; and then walk out the door.

It won&#039;t take many patients taking their business down the street to end this silliness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way to deal with this is to say &#8220;that question was impertinent, and it just cost you a client&#8221; and then walk out the door.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t take many patients taking their business down the street to end this silliness.</p>
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		<title>By: Number9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Number9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When invited to the McElroy compound just say no. Katie was much more normal until the new job at the Knoxville News Sentinel. It seems her writing is more sensational these days. Connect the dots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When invited to the McElroy compound just say no. Katie was much more normal until the new job at the Knoxville News Sentinel. It seems her writing is more sensational these days. Connect the dots.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;From what I remember Jesus’ disciples carried swords with them...&lt;/i&gt;

Like, Jesus had all the power of God at his command. He didn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; a sword, nor a gun. Jesus was anti-sin, and that&#039;s extent of his anti-anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>From what I remember Jesus’ disciples carried swords with them&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Like, Jesus had all the power of God at his command. He didn&#8217;t <i>need</i> a sword, nor a gun. Jesus was anti-sin, and that&#8217;s extent of his anti-anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been studies done showing that, very often, competence is inversely proportional to self confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been studies done showing that, very often, competence is inversely proportional to self confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Standard Mischief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Standard Mischief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TL DR
(j/k)</description>
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(j/k)</p>
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		<title>By: DirtCrashr</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirtCrashr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll bet Katie is better than she thinks, girls usually shot better than boys, they just don&#039;t talk about it all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bet Katie is better than she thinks, girls usually shot better than boys, they just don&#8217;t talk about it all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, I could not have said it better myself.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, I could not have said it better myself.  <img src='http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the old &quot;physicians as home safety assessment and home safety consultant&quot; ruse.

Ask them what training they&#039;ve had in such areas of expertise, and then ask them to read and sign &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ultimak.com/images/Physician&#039;s%20Qualification%20and%20Liability%20Form.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this document, stating their home safety assessment and consulting training&lt;/a&gt;, including what insurance coverage they have as experts dispensing advice in such a role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the old &#8220;physicians as home safety assessment and home safety consultant&#8221; ruse.</p>
<p>Ask them what training they&#8217;ve had in such areas of expertise, and then ask them to read and sign <a href="http://www.ultimak.com/images/Physician's%20Qualification%20and%20Liability%20Form.pdf" rel="nofollow">this document, stating their home safety assessment and consulting training</a>, including what insurance coverage they have as experts dispensing advice in such a role.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s odd, my doctors are always quick to tell me first about their latest acquisitions. One of them is into AK variants and 1911s, the other collects Mausers and Enfields. 

I can&#039;t get a word in edgewise to tell them about anything I&#039;ve picked up since I saw them last. I guess Texas physicians are &#039;trained to a different school&#039;. 

Regards,
Rabbit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s odd, my doctors are always quick to tell me first about their latest acquisitions. One of them is into AK variants and 1911s, the other collects Mausers and Enfields. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t get a word in edgewise to tell them about anything I&#8217;ve picked up since I saw them last. I guess Texas physicians are &#8216;trained to a different school&#8217;. </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Rabbit.</p>
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		<title>By: JWilliams</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/12/04/chicks-and-guns-38/comment-page-1/#comment-211166</link>
		<dc:creator>JWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this little nugget in the original post...

&quot;I&#039;m pretty sure that Jesus would be anti-gun.&quot;

From what I remember Jesus&#039; disciples carried swords with them - and while the lord was all for obeying the law of the land, I am sure were he here now, he would have armed security and his disciples would have CWPs. I mean even Obama has armed security...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this little nugget in the original post&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m pretty sure that Jesus would be anti-gun.&#8221;</p>
<p>From what I remember Jesus&#8217; disciples carried swords with them &#8211; and while the lord was all for obeying the law of the land, I am sure were he here now, he would have armed security and his disciples would have CWPs. I mean even Obama has armed security&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RAH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This pediatric questions has come up on Free Republic and it is a boundary violation. A poster had the wrtten letter to give to the doctor advising on their liability on this question.

 I had this question and said 1) not their business,2) I support the 2A, 3) if I did they would be secured.

 I got  the doctor though on bike helmets and seat belts. She had asked my child if he wore bike helmets and he said when I required it but that it was not the states role to require it.

She responded with the injuries,etc. I told her that by trying to eliminate risk why not prohibit skiing  or horseback riding which we also do. Both are high risk. Then I said by that logic we could trip and fall walking and why not wear helmets then.

Then she told that of course we agreed on seat belts and I said no I do not. She mentions the horrible injuries and I countered that I see the cars since I estimate damaged cars and see the mangled remains even in death cases. At that poiint she shut up and never tried to assume that everyone agrees with these positions, I said it is my right to manage the risks of the child not the state.

They never asked again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This pediatric questions has come up on Free Republic and it is a boundary violation. A poster had the wrtten letter to give to the doctor advising on their liability on this question.</p>
<p> I had this question and said 1) not their business,2) I support the 2A, 3) if I did they would be secured.</p>
<p> I got  the doctor though on bike helmets and seat belts. She had asked my child if he wore bike helmets and he said when I required it but that it was not the states role to require it.</p>
<p>She responded with the injuries,etc. I told her that by trying to eliminate risk why not prohibit skiing  or horseback riding which we also do. Both are high risk. Then I said by that logic we could trip and fall walking and why not wear helmets then.</p>
<p>Then she told that of course we agreed on seat belts and I said no I do not. She mentions the horrible injuries and I countered that I see the cars since I estimate damaged cars and see the mangled remains even in death cases. At that poiint she shut up and never tried to assume that everyone agrees with these positions, I said it is my right to manage the risks of the child not the state.</p>
<p>They never asked again.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, you must have some pushy doctors in your neck of the woods.  I&#039;ve worn my pistol into my doctor&#039;s office and had it on during examinations.  Nurse never said a thing and worked around it.  

If a doctor or nurse EVER asks me that question the answer will be in the affirmative rapidly followed by a &quot;None of your business and if the subject comes up again or the information is recorded and subsequently passed along or used against me, I would like to introduce you to Mr. Lawsuit courtesy of Mr. Lawyer.&quot;.

It is none of the medical community&#039;s business what property I chose to own in a lawful manner.  How the medical community suddenly delegated themselves gun safety experts in personal matters is a mystery to me but I, for one, will not tolerate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, you must have some pushy doctors in your neck of the woods.  I&#8217;ve worn my pistol into my doctor&#8217;s office and had it on during examinations.  Nurse never said a thing and worked around it.  </p>
<p>If a doctor or nurse EVER asks me that question the answer will be in the affirmative rapidly followed by a &#8220;None of your business and if the subject comes up again or the information is recorded and subsequently passed along or used against me, I would like to introduce you to Mr. Lawsuit courtesy of Mr. Lawyer.&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is none of the medical community&#8217;s business what property I chose to own in a lawful manner.  How the medical community suddenly delegated themselves gun safety experts in personal matters is a mystery to me but I, for one, will not tolerate it.</p>
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		<title>By: mike w.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katie - you don&#039;t have to be &quot;good&quot; at shooting a pistol / carbine / shotgun (defensive weapon of your choosing) you just have to be adequate.

Obviously having Todd Jarrett&#039;s skills would be preferrable, but guns are egalitarian, so even someone with nominals ability can still effectively use one for self-defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katie &#8211; you don&#8217;t have to be &#8220;good&#8221; at shooting a pistol / carbine / shotgun (defensive weapon of your choosing) you just have to be adequate.</p>
<p>Obviously having Todd Jarrett&#8217;s skills would be preferrable, but guns are egalitarian, so even someone with nominals ability can still effectively use one for self-defense.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Your belief that I am anti-gun is just plain wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t know that anyone accused you of being anti-gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Your belief that I am anti-gun is just plain wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that anyone accused you of being anti-gun.</p>
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		<title>By: sbk</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  My pediatrician asked me that list of questions.

On the gun question I answered, &quot;yes, several,&quot;  so he went on with what I recognized as bogus stats.  When he finished his whole safety at home quiz I asked him how it felt to be a shill for the political beliefs of the AAP.  He blinked a few times and asked why I would think that.  I told him if the AAP cared as much about the safety of my kids as they did about their political agenda he would have asked if I had a swimming pool at home--a much, much greater threat to the safety of children than guns in the home.  I suggested he do a little research on his stats instead of parroting the AAP.  I finished by telling him that I brought my children to him for healthcare not to listen to liberal political spiel.  I was mad.

It was one of those rare moments when I actually made the perfect come back in real time instead of thinking of it after the fact.

And yes, as a mom if someone breaks into my home I figure I&#039;m up to the task.  If I can hit a clay pigeon on a screaming cross shot with my 28 over and under I figure I can handle someone standing flat footed at the bottom of my stairs, thank you very much.  It&#039;s empowering, more moms should try it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  My pediatrician asked me that list of questions.</p>
<p>On the gun question I answered, &#8220;yes, several,&#8221;  so he went on with what I recognized as bogus stats.  When he finished his whole safety at home quiz I asked him how it felt to be a shill for the political beliefs of the AAP.  He blinked a few times and asked why I would think that.  I told him if the AAP cared as much about the safety of my kids as they did about their political agenda he would have asked if I had a swimming pool at home&#8211;a much, much greater threat to the safety of children than guns in the home.  I suggested he do a little research on his stats instead of parroting the AAP.  I finished by telling him that I brought my children to him for healthcare not to listen to liberal political spiel.  I was mad.</p>
<p>It was one of those rare moments when I actually made the perfect come back in real time instead of thinking of it after the fact.</p>
<p>And yes, as a mom if someone breaks into my home I figure I&#8217;m up to the task.  If I can hit a clay pigeon on a screaming cross shot with my 28 over and under I figure I can handle someone standing flat footed at the bottom of my stairs, thank you very much.  It&#8217;s empowering, more moms should try it.</p>
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		<title>By: katie allison granju</title>
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		<dc:creator>katie allison granju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your belief that I am anti-gun is just plain wrong. I support gun rights and gun ownership rights. I believe in the right of self defense. But I am NOT a good driver, I am not a good cook, and I am no good with power tools. We can&#039;t all be good at everything ;-) I just don&#039;t think I&#039;d be good with a gun. That&#039;s got absolutely nothing AT ALL to do with my gender. You made that inference. I never said anything at all about my concern about my ability to handle a gun having to do with being female. It&#039;s just that I tend to be clumsy, and I startle easily. These are not good attributes in someone handling firearms in a high stress situation.

-Katie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your belief that I am anti-gun is just plain wrong. I support gun rights and gun ownership rights. I believe in the right of self defense. But I am NOT a good driver, I am not a good cook, and I am no good with power tools. We can&#8217;t all be good at everything <img src='http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I just don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d be good with a gun. That&#8217;s got absolutely nothing AT ALL to do with my gender. You made that inference. I never said anything at all about my concern about my ability to handle a gun having to do with being female. It&#8217;s just that I tend to be clumsy, and I startle easily. These are not good attributes in someone handling firearms in a high stress situation.</p>
<p>-Katie</p>
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		<title>By: bullbore</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/12/04/chicks-and-guns-38/comment-page-1/#comment-211156</link>
		<dc:creator>bullbore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Daughter got asked that question and told the nurse it was none of her business. She then promptly told her mother and I that a non-family member asked her if we had guns in the house...she has learned well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Daughter got asked that question and told the nurse it was none of her business. She then promptly told her mother and I that a non-family member asked her if we had guns in the house&#8230;she has learned well.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/12/04/chicks-and-guns-38/comment-page-1/#comment-211155</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got asked the same question every time we take the kids to the doc.  I think the first time I looked at them, chuckled and said &quot;Of course I do, it&#039;s America&quot; I then told them that question had nothing to do with my kid. . . 

Since then I have just looked at them and said &quot;Yes&quot; and looked at them daring them to comment. . . they don&#039;t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got asked the same question every time we take the kids to the doc.  I think the first time I looked at them, chuckled and said &#8220;Of course I do, it&#8217;s America&#8221; I then told them that question had nothing to do with my kid. . . </p>
<p>Since then I have just looked at them and said &#8220;Yes&#8221; and looked at them daring them to comment. . . they don&#8217;t</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/12/04/chicks-and-guns-38/comment-page-1/#comment-211153</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, a real post!

For the record, this is one of the better websites in terms of content for debunking anti-gun (and pro-gun) propaganda. Kellerman included, where even if we take his baloney as fair, big stretch I know, it turns out that while the &lt;i&gt;relative&lt;/i&gt; risk is higher with a gun, the &lt;i&gt;absolute&lt;/i&gt; risk is minuscule. 

http://guncite.com/

http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html

that second link shows that if we apply Kellerman&#039;s method with which he got the famous 43:1 ratio to homes without guns, then we find a kill ratio of 99:1!

Both numbers are total bunk, and the second number shows this clearly. 

Kellerman&#039;s Seattle,USA/Vancouver Canada study was especially interesting. His data actually show (unintentionally) that among Caucasians, Vancouver has a higher homicide rate than Seattle. These are two culturally similar cities, only about 3 hours apart by automobile, and one has &quot;strict gun control laws&quot; while the other you don&#039;t even need training to carry a concealed pistol. 

If ever there was better proof that it ain&#039;t the guns, I haven&#039;t seen it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a real post!</p>
<p>For the record, this is one of the better websites in terms of content for debunking anti-gun (and pro-gun) propaganda. Kellerman included, where even if we take his baloney as fair, big stretch I know, it turns out that while the <i>relative</i> risk is higher with a gun, the <i>absolute</i> risk is minuscule. </p>
<p><a href="http://guncite.com/" rel="nofollow">http://guncite.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html" rel="nofollow">http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html</a></p>
<p>that second link shows that if we apply Kellerman&#8217;s method with which he got the famous 43:1 ratio to homes without guns, then we find a kill ratio of 99:1!</p>
<p>Both numbers are total bunk, and the second number shows this clearly. </p>
<p>Kellerman&#8217;s Seattle,USA/Vancouver Canada study was especially interesting. His data actually show (unintentionally) that among Caucasians, Vancouver has a higher homicide rate than Seattle. These are two culturally similar cities, only about 3 hours apart by automobile, and one has &#8220;strict gun control laws&#8221; while the other you don&#8217;t even need training to carry a concealed pistol. </p>
<p>If ever there was better proof that it ain&#8217;t the guns, I haven&#8217;t seen it.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things: what the nurse did was a &quot;boundary violation&quot; and in theory it&#039;s a serious thing, not that with the AAP&#039;s official position the parent would get anywhere.

Second, the parent did exactly the right thing.  Letting someone like that know they have a gun could result in their losing their children or being forced to decide between keeping one or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things: what the nurse did was a &#8220;boundary violation&#8221; and in theory it&#8217;s a serious thing, not that with the AAP&#8217;s official position the parent would get anywhere.</p>
<p>Second, the parent did exactly the right thing.  Letting someone like that know they have a gun could result in their losing their children or being forced to decide between keeping one or the other.</p>
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