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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/13/how-is-that-even-possible/comment-page-1/#comment-210213</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife worked at a sweatshop before coming here (legally).   A lot of Chinese firms will ship jobs to countries with even lower pay standards.  She made $50 a month, on a 10 hour day, 6 days a week.  slaving under evil Chinese masters.   Might bump up to 80 bucks a month if you are willing to work all days overtime.  Missing a day, however, will land you a cut in your wages.  And these are clothes you will find in macys, jcpennys, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife worked at a sweatshop before coming here (legally).   A lot of Chinese firms will ship jobs to countries with even lower pay standards.  She made $50 a month, on a 10 hour day, 6 days a week.  slaving under evil Chinese masters.   Might bump up to 80 bucks a month if you are willing to work all days overtime.  Missing a day, however, will land you a cut in your wages.  And these are clothes you will find in macys, jcpennys, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Lysander</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/13/how-is-that-even-possible/comment-page-1/#comment-210189</link>
		<dc:creator>Lysander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So Lysander, essentially what you’re saying is that the production en route is counted as a full asset, and if production costs go up then the difference, even though there’s still a profit, is counted as a loss?&lt;/i&gt;
No.

The &quot;profit&quot; from each stage to the next is ONLY that income that is not directly associated with one unit of product.

If, by unit, it costs $10 to purchase a shoe, 0.50 to pay for the warehousing and inventory, 0.50 for management, 1.00 for advertising, promotional material, etc, and 0.25 for &quot;executive&quot; level expenses, then the single unit of shoes cost 12.25 to hold.  Selling the shoe for $20 then gains a profit - before taxes - of $7.75.

Now, if the shoe suddenly costs $15 to buy, the other, indirect costs are not directly affected (being indirect - the warehouse crew still wants their pay, etc) the single unit of shoes costs 17.25, or a profit of $2.75.  There&#039;s still a profit there, just not as much.  I&#039;m guessing at costs; I don&#039;t know that the indirect cost of a unit of shoes comes to $2.25.  If it&#039;s higher than that (say, $4.50 all told) then there might be no profit, or only $0.50 per shoe, at the newer purchase cost.

What I&#039;m driving at is, just because the retail cost is $40, and the estimated cost to Crocs is $10, that Crocs itself has $30 in the bank.  At &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt;, Crocs would have $10 and the retailer have $20, but the retailer&#039;s costs are going to be higher than only what they bought the shoes from Crocs.

Likewise, this is why any retailer - whether or not they are a corporation - effectively &quot;pays no taxes.&quot;
Retailer can buy merchandise for $10, they want to make $5 in profit, after all expenses including taxes.  Thus, they&#039;re going to sell the merchandise for 10+5+EIT.  If that comes to $20, that&#039;s good for them.  If that comes to less than $20, they&#039;ll probably still charge $20 (boosting profit) because that&#039;s the doubling point.  But, if it comes to $24, they&#039;re not going to slash their profits to $1, they&#039;re going to raise their retail price to 24 or 25 - based on what the market can bear.  If the market can only bear $20, and it costs them (less profit) $19 to have the merchandise for sale, and they &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; $5 per item (for their shareholders, kid&#039;s college expenses, a new AR15, medical expenses, or whatever) then they might not carry that particular item but a lower-costing (to them) one.  It takes, generically, as much effort to sell a $19-costing item ($1 profit) as it does a $12- or $14-costing item ($8 profit and $6 profit, respectively).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So Lysander, essentially what you’re saying is that the production en route is counted as a full asset, and if production costs go up then the difference, even though there’s still a profit, is counted as a loss?</i><br />
No.</p>
<p>The &#8220;profit&#8221; from each stage to the next is ONLY that income that is not directly associated with one unit of product.</p>
<p>If, by unit, it costs $10 to purchase a shoe, 0.50 to pay for the warehousing and inventory, 0.50 for management, 1.00 for advertising, promotional material, etc, and 0.25 for &#8220;executive&#8221; level expenses, then the single unit of shoes cost 12.25 to hold.  Selling the shoe for $20 then gains a profit &#8211; before taxes &#8211; of $7.75.</p>
<p>Now, if the shoe suddenly costs $15 to buy, the other, indirect costs are not directly affected (being indirect &#8211; the warehouse crew still wants their pay, etc) the single unit of shoes costs 17.25, or a profit of $2.75.  There&#8217;s still a profit there, just not as much.  I&#8217;m guessing at costs; I don&#8217;t know that the indirect cost of a unit of shoes comes to $2.25.  If it&#8217;s higher than that (say, $4.50 all told) then there might be no profit, or only $0.50 per shoe, at the newer purchase cost.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m driving at is, just because the retail cost is $40, and the estimated cost to Crocs is $10, that Crocs itself has $30 in the bank.  At <i>most</i>, Crocs would have $10 and the retailer have $20, but the retailer&#8217;s costs are going to be higher than only what they bought the shoes from Crocs.</p>
<p>Likewise, this is why any retailer &#8211; whether or not they are a corporation &#8211; effectively &#8220;pays no taxes.&#8221;<br />
Retailer can buy merchandise for $10, they want to make $5 in profit, after all expenses including taxes.  Thus, they&#8217;re going to sell the merchandise for 10+5+EIT.  If that comes to $20, that&#8217;s good for them.  If that comes to less than $20, they&#8217;ll probably still charge $20 (boosting profit) because that&#8217;s the doubling point.  But, if it comes to $24, they&#8217;re not going to slash their profits to $1, they&#8217;re going to raise their retail price to 24 or 25 &#8211; based on what the market can bear.  If the market can only bear $20, and it costs them (less profit) $19 to have the merchandise for sale, and they <i>need</i> $5 per item (for their shareholders, kid&#8217;s college expenses, a new AR15, medical expenses, or whatever) then they might not carry that particular item but a lower-costing (to them) one.  It takes, generically, as much effort to sell a $19-costing item ($1 profit) as it does a $12- or $14-costing item ($8 profit and $6 profit, respectively).</p>
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		<title>By: drstrangegun</title>
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		<dc:creator>drstrangegun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Lysander, essentially what you&#039;re saying is that the production en route is counted as a full asset, and if production costs go up then the difference, even though there&#039;s still a profit, is counted as a loss?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Lysander, essentially what you&#8217;re saying is that the production en route is counted as a full asset, and if production costs go up then the difference, even though there&#8217;s still a profit, is counted as a loss?</p>
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		<title>By: Lysander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lysander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends on the layering.  My (albeit limited) experience with retail manufacturing brought home the relationship between manufacturing and retail costs - a $40 croc was bought by (say) Dick&#039;s Sporting Goods for $20, which was bought by Crocs Inc. for (as you said) $10.00.  

Crocs only earned no more $10 per pair, as indirect costs come out of that half of the sale.  Likewise, Dick&#039;s earned much less than $20 per pair as *all* of their budget, except purchase costs, (related to Crocs) come out of their $20.

Mfgr - Makes for $5 - Sells for $10
Dist - Buys for $10 - Sells for $20
Rtlr - Buys for $20 - Sells for $40

If the MFGR charges $15 suddenly, and the Distributor can&#039;t raise prices, they&#039;ve &quot;lost&quot; $5 on the differential.

For Nike, if they&#039;re the Manufacturer and Distributor all in one, they still determine the MARKET price, halve it, and sell at the half price to the retailer.
When Nike sells at a Nike-owned store (NOT COUNTING THE STORE&#039;S COSTS), Nike may make for $13 and sell for $210.  But, from the differential, all the indirect costs (salaries, storage, utilities, taxes, rents, etc) of every level need to get paid.

It&#039;s good to be vertically integrated, and I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m having Business School flashbacks. Oy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on the layering.  My (albeit limited) experience with retail manufacturing brought home the relationship between manufacturing and retail costs &#8211; a $40 croc was bought by (say) Dick&#8217;s Sporting Goods for $20, which was bought by Crocs Inc. for (as you said) $10.00.  </p>
<p>Crocs only earned no more $10 per pair, as indirect costs come out of that half of the sale.  Likewise, Dick&#8217;s earned much less than $20 per pair as *all* of their budget, except purchase costs, (related to Crocs) come out of their $20.</p>
<p>Mfgr &#8211; Makes for $5 &#8211; Sells for $10<br />
Dist &#8211; Buys for $10 &#8211; Sells for $20<br />
Rtlr &#8211; Buys for $20 &#8211; Sells for $40</p>
<p>If the MFGR charges $15 suddenly, and the Distributor can&#8217;t raise prices, they&#8217;ve &#8220;lost&#8221; $5 on the differential.</p>
<p>For Nike, if they&#8217;re the Manufacturer and Distributor all in one, they still determine the MARKET price, halve it, and sell at the half price to the retailer.<br />
When Nike sells at a Nike-owned store (NOT COUNTING THE STORE&#8217;S COSTS), Nike may make for $13 and sell for $210.  But, from the differential, all the indirect costs (salaries, storage, utilities, taxes, rents, etc) of every level need to get paid.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to be vertically integrated, and I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m having Business School flashbacks. Oy.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That link was worth it for the MASSIVE SHORT SQUEEZE comment.  Comedy gold.  At the moment, CROX is getting murdered in the market, down over 50%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link was worth it for the MASSIVE SHORT SQUEEZE comment.  Comedy gold.  At the moment, CROX is getting murdered in the market, down over 50%.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, Crocs?

SRSLY?

Whoa...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, Crocs?</p>
<p>SRSLY?</p>
<p>Whoa&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bwm</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for Nike.  I was working there when the Nike Shox were first introduced; the first model released was selling for $210.  I repeatedly was told that the cost for a pair of Shox... 

-materials
-labor
-packaging
-shipping from overseas
-labor for handling in our distribution center
-shipping to retail outlet

...cost around $13. We would sell them to retailers at around $120 a pair.  

So, I concur.  How can you lose money doing this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for Nike.  I was working there when the Nike Shox were first introduced; the first model released was selling for $210.  I repeatedly was told that the cost for a pair of Shox&#8230; </p>
<p>-materials<br />
-labor<br />
-packaging<br />
-shipping from overseas<br />
-labor for handling in our distribution center<br />
-shipping to retail outlet</p>
<p>&#8230;cost around $13. We would sell them to retailers at around $120 a pair.  </p>
<p>So, I concur.  How can you lose money doing this?</p>
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