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		<title>By: jimmyb</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210128</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shot my dresser once when I wss in my 20&#039;s.
Still feel bad about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shot my dresser once when I wss in my 20&#8217;s.<br />
Still feel bad about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gallo</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210122</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll look into it - I really like the clean two-stage on this thing (surprisingly nice break), but it does tend to be really easy to bump-fire because of the short reset stroke.  No doubt, though, 7.62x39 going off in a basement at 2030 hours is LOUD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll look into it &#8211; I really like the clean two-stage on this thing (surprisingly nice break), but it does tend to be really easy to bump-fire because of the short reset stroke.  No doubt, though, 7.62&#215;39 going off in a basement at 2030 hours is LOUD.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210112</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Century AK semi parts sets were a bit funky ... the disconnecter has an unneeded flange on the back.

Consider replacing the trigger group with a G2 set ... you&#039;ll also get rid of that annoying trigger push back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Century AK semi parts sets were a bit funky &#8230; the disconnecter has an unneeded flange on the back.</p>
<p>Consider replacing the trigger group with a G2 set &#8230; you&#8217;ll also get rid of that annoying trigger push back.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210097</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old country saying:  A gun or a mule will think about killing its owner two times a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old country saying:  A gun or a mule will think about killing its owner two times a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Master of Obvious</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210095</link>
		<dc:creator>Master of Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your wife found out you can&#039;t say that no one was harmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your wife found out you can&#8217;t say that no one was harmed.</p>
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		<title>By: farm.dad</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210079</link>
		<dc:creator>farm.dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the course of some years i have learned that some slide action shotguns  do not have disconectors , the disconector  on 1911s does no more than it should , and that there is a reason to load any and all auto pistols via the mag rather than drop a round in the barrel and release the slide , just to mention a few lessons .  You did well , dont beat yourself up but do take the lesson to heart .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the course of some years i have learned that some slide action shotguns  do not have disconectors , the disconector  on 1911s does no more than it should , and that there is a reason to load any and all auto pistols via the mag rather than drop a round in the barrel and release the slide , just to mention a few lessons .  You did well , dont beat yourself up but do take the lesson to heart .</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210078</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I just tried that out with my Bulgarian AK-74 clone, and it did not have that behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I just tried that out with my Bulgarian AK-74 clone, and it did not have that behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gallo</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210076</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine was with a WASR-10 in my basement; I was cleaning it right after purchase (cosmoline), and was having trouble chambering a round (the bolt wouldn&#039;t lock in battery).  Yes, I was using live rounds, but I had the firing pin out.  Well, after futzing with it for hours, cleaning the chamber the best I could and such, I reassembled the bolt, figuring I would try again later on.  Well, after reassembly, I thought I&#039;d try it one more time, and sure enough, it chambered.  I reached over the top with my right hand to grab a flashlight off the bench, and my sleeve caught on the safety.  Well, it turns out that if you rotate an AK-style safety to the removal position, it looses the hammer and BANG.  I dug the slug out of the stairs and kept it as a reminder of why I should continue to follow the four rules.

I haven&#039;t really done any research, but Century Int&#039;l. has a reputation, so I&#039;m wondering if this is the function of a FA selector switch in a SA gun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine was with a WASR-10 in my basement; I was cleaning it right after purchase (cosmoline), and was having trouble chambering a round (the bolt wouldn&#8217;t lock in battery).  Yes, I was using live rounds, but I had the firing pin out.  Well, after futzing with it for hours, cleaning the chamber the best I could and such, I reassembled the bolt, figuring I would try again later on.  Well, after reassembly, I thought I&#8217;d try it one more time, and sure enough, it chambered.  I reached over the top with my right hand to grab a flashlight off the bench, and my sleeve caught on the safety.  Well, it turns out that if you rotate an AK-style safety to the removal position, it looses the hammer and BANG.  I dug the slug out of the stairs and kept it as a reminder of why I should continue to follow the four rules.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t really done any research, but Century Int&#8217;l. has a reputation, so I&#8217;m wondering if this is the function of a FA selector switch in a SA gun?</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210074</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hands are small and have been sorely used, resulting in them being very thick and stiff. I never let the hammer down one-handed. I use both hands to do this. I have never had an ND, but that is probably as much due to having to accomodate my physical limitations as to ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hands are small and have been sorely used, resulting in them being very thick and stiff. I never let the hammer down one-handed. I use both hands to do this. I have never had an ND, but that is probably as much due to having to accomodate my physical limitations as to ability.</p>
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		<title>By: the pawnbroker</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210073</link>
		<dc:creator>the pawnbroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well young ones, i&#039;ve had three...different decades, different circumstances, and no injuries, but all negligent, and as i said here i think they all are.

http://poetnthepawnbroker.blogspot.com/2008/04/negligent-dischargesaccidental-sounds.html

i posted about the first one here, less painful to my ego i guess as i attributed it to youth and ignorance.

http://poetnthepawnbroker.blogspot.com/2008/04/negligent-discharge-number-one-1978.html

haven&#039;t written about the other two yet...the second one is just too scary and painful to think about, and it would be out of order to post about the third before the second, but suffice to say it left a fair-sized hole in the floor behind my counter and a wide-eyed sheriff&#039;s deputy in front of it...

jtc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well young ones, i&#8217;ve had three&#8230;different decades, different circumstances, and no injuries, but all negligent, and as i said here i think they all are.</p>
<p><a href="http://poetnthepawnbroker.blogspot.com/2008/04/negligent-dischargesaccidental-sounds.html" rel="nofollow">http://poetnthepawnbroker.blogspot.com/2008/04/negligent-dischargesaccidental-sounds.html</a></p>
<p>i posted about the first one here, less painful to my ego i guess as i attributed it to youth and ignorance.</p>
<p><a href="http://poetnthepawnbroker.blogspot.com/2008/04/negligent-discharge-number-one-1978.html" rel="nofollow">http://poetnthepawnbroker.blogspot.com/2008/04/negligent-discharge-number-one-1978.html</a></p>
<p>haven&#8217;t written about the other two yet&#8230;the second one is just too scary and painful to think about, and it would be out of order to post about the third before the second, but suffice to say it left a fair-sized hole in the floor behind my counter and a wide-eyed sheriff&#8217;s deputy in front of it&#8230;</p>
<p>jtc</p>
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		<title>By: doubletrouble</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210068</link>
		<dc:creator>doubletrouble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wear mine all day here around the homestead.  When I need to clear it, I put the hammer block safety on, remove the mag, eject the chambered cartridge, re-insert the mag, then drop the hammer on the cross block (pointed, well you know).
It works, but IS a PITA.

My ND was a similar situation, except it was a 9mm, also in my basement.  Lil&#039; crater there now, &amp; the ears were ringing for a while...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wear mine all day here around the homestead.  When I need to clear it, I put the hammer block safety on, remove the mag, eject the chambered cartridge, re-insert the mag, then drop the hammer on the cross block (pointed, well you know).<br />
It works, but IS a PITA.</p>
<p>My ND was a similar situation, except it was a 9mm, also in my basement.  Lil&#8217; crater there now, &amp; the ears were ringing for a while&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210065</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear; you weren&#039;t following &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; the rules.  You loaded the gun.

Talk to yourself outloud; I am now finished (dry firing, shooting, whatever) and will check the chamber &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; the magazine well...

The nice feature of the rules is they&#039;re redundant.  You have to violate more than one for anyone to actually get hurt.

I would like to add another rule here;  Always keep a firm grip on (i.e. complete control of) the gun.  Losing your grip and dropping a gun isn&#039;t a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear; you weren&#8217;t following <i>all</i> the rules.  You loaded the gun.</p>
<p>Talk to yourself outloud; I am now finished (dry firing, shooting, whatever) and will check the chamber <i>and</i> the magazine well&#8230;</p>
<p>The nice feature of the rules is they&#8217;re redundant.  You have to violate more than one for anyone to actually get hurt.</p>
<p>I would like to add another rule here;  Always keep a firm grip on (i.e. complete control of) the gun.  Losing your grip and dropping a gun isn&#8217;t a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210062</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did that too once a couple years ago. Sucks. Put a hole in my wall. 4 rules = nobody hurt (except my ears).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did that too once a couple years ago. Sucks. Put a hole in my wall. 4 rules = nobody hurt (except my ears).</p>
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		<title>By: Linoge</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210057</link>
		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear that you and everyone else over there is ok, Uncle.  I have to admit - I do &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; much like that the adjustable backstraps on the back of my PPS also function as a decocking system...  Reduces the chances of an ND, but certainly does not remove it.  

At any rate, thanks for having the nerve to share the experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear that you and everyone else over there is ok, Uncle.  I have to admit &#8211; I do <em>very</em> much like that the adjustable backstraps on the back of my PPS also function as a decocking system&#8230;  Reduces the chances of an ND, but certainly does not remove it.  </p>
<p>At any rate, thanks for having the nerve to share the experience.</p>
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		<title>By: nexyjo</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210056</link>
		<dc:creator>nexyjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i also own a p22 (yes, in pink) and i also don&#039;t like the magazine disconnect safety.  i don&#039;t like to keep any gun around cocked, with or without a magazine in it.  if it&#039;s cocked, inserting a mag just seems dangerous to me.  what kind of gun designer from hell thought of that &quot;feature&quot;?

i&#039;m now going in search of the instructions to remove the magazine safety...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i also own a p22 (yes, in pink) and i also don&#8217;t like the magazine disconnect safety.  i don&#8217;t like to keep any gun around cocked, with or without a magazine in it.  if it&#8217;s cocked, inserting a mag just seems dangerous to me.  what kind of gun designer from hell thought of that &#8220;feature&#8221;?</p>
<p>i&#8217;m now going in search of the instructions to remove the magazine safety&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210054</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I bought my current .22lr pistol, I ended up with a choice between a new Walther, and an old High Standard.

I bought the High Standard.

It looks like I made the right choice ... all of the controls do what you expect them to do, without any back talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I bought my current .22lr pistol, I ended up with a choice between a new Walther, and an old High Standard.</p>
<p>I bought the High Standard.</p>
<p>It looks like I made the right choice &#8230; all of the controls do what you expect them to do, without any back talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Regolith</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210053</link>
		<dc:creator>Regolith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done that with an old lever action .22, but it
was in the field.  You HAVE to manually decock those
to cary them safely, as there are no safeties on 
them besides placing the hammer at the half-cock position (which helps prevent the gun from going off if dropped as well as preventing the gun from going off if the trigger is accidentally puled). I think I was around 15 at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done that with an old lever action .22, but it<br />
was in the field.  You HAVE to manually decock those<br />
to cary them safely, as there are no safeties on<br />
them besides placing the hammer at the half-cock position (which helps prevent the gun from going off if dropped as well as preventing the gun from going off if the trigger is accidentally puled). I think I was around 15 at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean_Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean_Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTDT. A brand spanking new semiauto 20 gauge, partially disassembled, with live rounds STUCK in the action.
It jammed on the first shot, and was brought indoors loaded for unsticking. Boy, did the OTHER 2 guys in the shop get wide eyed- but , same as your situation, concrete backstop, muzzle away from everyone, and I knew it was a possibility. Still has some pucker factor to it though, even when you know its likely coming.
I&#039;m so glad I don&#039;t do warranty work. I ended up with one pellet in my drywall, and the customer left with a recommendation to send it directly back to the factory, as it fired when the action closed, sans-trigger pull. So, a gunnut for 20 plus years, and 1 ND. Hopefully the last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTDT. A brand spanking new semiauto 20 gauge, partially disassembled, with live rounds STUCK in the action.<br />
It jammed on the first shot, and was brought indoors loaded for unsticking. Boy, did the OTHER 2 guys in the shop get wide eyed- but , same as your situation, concrete backstop, muzzle away from everyone, and I knew it was a possibility. Still has some pucker factor to it though, even when you know its likely coming.<br />
I&#8217;m so glad I don&#8217;t do warranty work. I ended up with one pellet in my drywall, and the customer left with a recommendation to send it directly back to the factory, as it fired when the action closed, sans-trigger pull. So, a gunnut for 20 plus years, and 1 ND. Hopefully the last.</p>
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		<title>By: Crucis</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210042</link>
		<dc:creator>Crucis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when I was shooting IDPA, I used to carry an
empty mag in a shirt pocket just to let the hammer
down on my Browning Highpower.  I have had more than one RO insist that I not use an empty mag but to let the hammer down without a magazine inserted. I had one
RO refuse to let my use my BHP because I didn&#039;t have 
the Magazine Disconnect removed.

(Browning Highpowers have a magazine disconnect 
&quot;safety&quot; and you cannot let the hammer down without
a magazine inserted.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when I was shooting IDPA, I used to carry an<br />
empty mag in a shirt pocket just to let the hammer<br />
down on my Browning Highpower.  I have had more than one RO insist that I not use an empty mag but to let the hammer down without a magazine inserted. I had one<br />
RO refuse to let my use my BHP because I didn&#8217;t have<br />
the Magazine Disconnect removed.</p>
<p>(Browning Highpowers have a magazine disconnect<br />
&#8220;safety&#8221; and you cannot let the hammer down without<br />
a magazine inserted.)</p>
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		<title>By: mariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laughingdog:

&quot;That&#8217;s the one thing I really don&#8217;t like about my Glock, since it forces me to pull the trigger in order to field strip it.&quot;

Can I have it? ;)

This is not a problem for me -- I simply make sure the chamber is empty before I do it.

(Oh, and if you field-strip XDs, M&amp;Ps or some SIGs you&#039;ll find the same thing.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laughingdog:</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s the one thing I really don&#8217;t like about my Glock, since it forces me to pull the trigger in order to field strip it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can I have it? <img src='http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This is not a problem for me &#8212; I simply make sure the chamber is empty before I do it.</p>
<p>(Oh, and if you field-strip XDs, M&amp;Ps or some SIGs you&#8217;ll find the same thing.)</p>
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		<title>By: drstrangegun</title>
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		<dc:creator>drstrangegun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morte, slight issue with that and the P22, your thumb really won&#039;t fit in there. The P22&#039;s hammer is very short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morte, slight issue with that and the P22, your thumb really won&#8217;t fit in there. The P22&#8217;s hammer is very short.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross S.</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210034</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two loudest sounds in the world: a BANG when you expected a click, and a CLICK when you expected a BANG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two loudest sounds in the world: a BANG when you expected a click, and a CLICK when you expected a BANG.</p>
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		<title>By: morte</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210032</link>
		<dc:creator>morte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A method to help prevent just this sort of thing that was taught to me years ago is to place the thumb of the offhand in front of the hammer, blocking access to the firing pin.  If the stronghand thumb slips, the hammer has no way of hitting the firing pin.  As the instructor said, &quot;&quot;Ow&quot;, is better than &quot;bang.&quot;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A method to help prevent just this sort of thing that was taught to me years ago is to place the thumb of the offhand in front of the hammer, blocking access to the firing pin.  If the stronghand thumb slips, the hammer has no way of hitting the firing pin.  As the instructor said, &#8220;&#8221;Ow&#8221;, is better than &#8220;bang.&#8221;"</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210031</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaughingDog, I actually am glad the first semi handgun I purchased was a Glock. Because of having to pull the trigger to pull it apart, I&#039;ve done exactly what you say - cycle it several times to clear out anything. I also put my pinky in the chamber to ensure I&#039;m not being fooled by my lying eyes. I then always point at the ground and pull the trigger, just in case my fingers are in cahoots with said lying eyes.

Because of this, all my firearms go through an overly rigorous inspection each time I have to dry fire or for whatever reason. Never hurts to be overly cautious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaughingDog, I actually am glad the first semi handgun I purchased was a Glock. Because of having to pull the trigger to pull it apart, I&#8217;ve done exactly what you say &#8211; cycle it several times to clear out anything. I also put my pinky in the chamber to ensure I&#8217;m not being fooled by my lying eyes. I then always point at the ground and pull the trigger, just in case my fingers are in cahoots with said lying eyes.</p>
<p>Because of this, all my firearms go through an overly rigorous inspection each time I have to dry fire or for whatever reason. Never hurts to be overly cautious.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210029</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>glad nobody was injured.

Not impressed with over-lawyered guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glad nobody was injured.</p>
<p>Not impressed with over-lawyered guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Gun Blobber</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210028</link>
		<dc:creator>Gun Blobber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess this is the one big difference between the P22 and the Sig Mosquito (I have heard some claim that the internals are virtually identical, and that they are made at the same factory -- no idea if it&#039;s actually true, but I&#039;ll grant it for the sake of argument).  The Mosquito (like most Sigs) has a decocker.  It is stupid that you have to decock manually (&quot;thumb on the hammer&quot;) on the P22, or on ANY modern, hammer-fired semi-auto for that matter (designed in 1990 or later).  AFAIK, the Beretta 92 uses its safety as a decocker -- the P22 doesn&#039;t do that?

As far as loaded magazines in the house, I keep loaded mags around for things that I might need for defensive purposes.  A couple for the Sig P226, and a couple for the AK&#039;s.... the .22&#039;s are stored with empty mags, because I only ever shoot them at the range and can&#039;t anticipate a need for them in an emergency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this is the one big difference between the P22 and the Sig Mosquito (I have heard some claim that the internals are virtually identical, and that they are made at the same factory &#8212; no idea if it&#8217;s actually true, but I&#8217;ll grant it for the sake of argument).  The Mosquito (like most Sigs) has a decocker.  It is stupid that you have to decock manually (&#8221;thumb on the hammer&#8221;) on the P22, or on ANY modern, hammer-fired semi-auto for that matter (designed in 1990 or later).  AFAIK, the Beretta 92 uses its safety as a decocker &#8212; the P22 doesn&#8217;t do that?</p>
<p>As far as loaded magazines in the house, I keep loaded mags around for things that I might need for defensive purposes.  A couple for the Sig P226, and a couple for the AK&#8217;s&#8230;. the .22&#8217;s are stored with empty mags, because I only ever shoot them at the range and can&#8217;t anticipate a need for them in an emergency.</p>
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		<title>By: sevesteen</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210027</link>
		<dc:creator>sevesteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got rituals that go beyond the 4 rules.  Most of my semiautos require a trigger pull to disassemble.  If I am pulling the trigger for disassembly, I put all compatible ammo in a different room.  

If I had known the reassembly procedure for the Ruger 22/45, I probably would have bought something else.  Requires that you pull the trigger, with a mag inserted, with the gun pointed in various directions.   I don&#039;t clean it near as much as I would otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got rituals that go beyond the 4 rules.  Most of my semiautos require a trigger pull to disassemble.  If I am pulling the trigger for disassembly, I put all compatible ammo in a different room.  </p>
<p>If I had known the reassembly procedure for the Ruger 22/45, I probably would have bought something else.  Requires that you pull the trigger, with a mag inserted, with the gun pointed in various directions.   I don&#8217;t clean it near as much as I would otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: pax</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210025</link>
		<dc:creator>pax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; the way an ND should occur, when it occurs: no risk to anyone else because you were following the rules. I&#039;d even go so far as to say it was an unintentional discharge, not a negligent one, because you were consciously following the rules and treating the gun as if loaded. Bummer about the painful ears &amp; the hole in the floor.

Next time, before you decock, put the safety on that P22. It&#039;ll prevent the discharge even if your finger slips, and yes - you&#039;ll still be able to manipulate the trigger and lower the hammer with the safety on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s <em>exactly</em> the way an ND should occur, when it occurs: no risk to anyone else because you were following the rules. I&#8217;d even go so far as to say it was an unintentional discharge, not a negligent one, because you were consciously following the rules and treating the gun as if loaded. Bummer about the painful ears &amp; the hole in the floor.</p>
<p>Next time, before you decock, put the safety on that P22. It&#8217;ll prevent the discharge even if your finger slips, and yes &#8211; you&#8217;ll still be able to manipulate the trigger and lower the hammer with the safety on.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210022</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same thing happened with a friend of mine in my kitchen with his .45. Fortunately, his pistol was pointed in a safe direction when his thumb slipped off the hammer. Destroyed my sink and pissed off my wife. But she got a nice, new sink and fixture out of it in the end, courtesy of my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing happened with a friend of mine in my kitchen with his .45. Fortunately, his pistol was pointed in a safe direction when his thumb slipped off the hammer. Destroyed my sink and pissed off my wife. But she got a nice, new sink and fixture out of it in the end, courtesy of my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Buist</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210020</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Buist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth I&#039;ve found that holding my P22 upside down while pulling the trigger allows the hammer to drop w/out a magazine inserted.

I tend to do this instead of inserting a magazine, because, well, see above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth I&#8217;ve found that holding my P22 upside down while pulling the trigger allows the hammer to drop w/out a magazine inserted.</p>
<p>I tend to do this instead of inserting a magazine, because, well, see above.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210014</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The house I was lived in whenI was born had a divot out of the hardwood floor in the living room where my uncle (not you) shot a hole with an unloaded .22 rifle from the gun case at the top of the stairs.  They never let us forget it.

  Thanks for posting.  I think you are good to go on this.  Tell your wife Robert said you were absolved of all sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The house I was lived in whenI was born had a divot out of the hardwood floor in the living room where my uncle (not you) shot a hole with an unloaded .22 rifle from the gun case at the top of the stairs.  They never let us forget it.</p>
<p>  Thanks for posting.  I think you are good to go on this.  Tell your wife Robert said you were absolved of all sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Laughingdog</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210012</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughingdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a side note, I&#039;m glad my first ND was at the range, with the gun pointed down range.  I can&#039;t think of a luckier way to discover that your trigger control sucks.  I had loaded the gun, and was bringing it up and pulled the trigger while I was still 10-20 degrees from being on target.

I spent that night at home with an empty Glock in my hand almost the entire evening, training myself to keep my finger on the frame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a side note, I&#8217;m glad my first ND was at the range, with the gun pointed down range.  I can&#8217;t think of a luckier way to discover that your trigger control sucks.  I had loaded the gun, and was bringing it up and pulled the trigger while I was still 10-20 degrees from being on target.</p>
<p>I spent that night at home with an empty Glock in my hand almost the entire evening, training myself to keep my finger on the frame.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian-PGP</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210011</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian-PGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scratch the P22 off the list of pistols I&#039;ll own.  No need to decock my semi pistol of choice (asbestos underwear on, check :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scratch the P22 off the list of pistols I&#8217;ll own.  No need to decock my semi pistol of choice (asbestos underwear on, check <img src='http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210010</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Technically, you didn’t follow all four rules, since your finger was on the trigger.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because i intended to pull the trigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Technically, you didn’t follow all four rules, since your finger was on the trigger.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because i intended to pull the trigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Laughingdog</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210009</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughingdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically, you didn&#039;t follow all four rules, since your finger was on the trigger.  Granted, the design of the gun pretty much forced you to violate that one.  

That&#039;s the one thing I really don&#039;t like about my Glock, since it forces me to pull the trigger in order to field strip it.  Because of that, I&#039;ve gotten into the habit of cycling it three or four times before I disassemble it.  On the last one, I hold it open and stare at the back of the barrel for 5-10 seconds to be absolutely sure it is empty before pulling the trigger.

That&#039;s also why I never lower the hammer on a loaded 1911.  All it takes is some extra slick fingers one day for me to put a hole in my floor, and the ceiling of the apartment downstairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically, you didn&#8217;t follow all four rules, since your finger was on the trigger.  Granted, the design of the gun pretty much forced you to violate that one.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the one thing I really don&#8217;t like about my Glock, since it forces me to pull the trigger in order to field strip it.  Because of that, I&#8217;ve gotten into the habit of cycling it three or four times before I disassemble it.  On the last one, I hold it open and stare at the back of the barrel for 5-10 seconds to be absolutely sure it is empty before pulling the trigger.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s also why I never lower the hammer on a loaded 1911.  All it takes is some extra slick fingers one day for me to put a hole in my floor, and the ceiling of the apartment downstairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Weer'd Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210007</link>
		<dc:creator>Weer'd Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t with a P22 you put the saftey on and pull the trigger to drop the hammer on the cross-block?

Also I&#039;ve had a pair of NDs,  both happened to be on hot ranges on guns I thought were unloaded, or forgot I had loaded.  Other than a bit of suprise, and damaged pride, no harm, no foul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t with a P22 you put the saftey on and pull the trigger to drop the hammer on the cross-block?</p>
<p>Also I&#8217;ve had a pair of NDs,  both happened to be on hot ranges on guns I thought were unloaded, or forgot I had loaded.  Other than a bit of suprise, and damaged pride, no harm, no foul.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomcatshanger</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210005</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomcatshanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The magazine safety was causing functioning issues with my wife&#039;s P22, so I removed it.

It made the little .22 much more reliable, not 100%, but the hammer doesn&#039;t fall and fail to ignite the primmer nearly as often.

And it makes dry firing with the safety on a much better proposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The magazine safety was causing functioning issues with my wife&#8217;s P22, so I removed it.</p>
<p>It made the little .22 much more reliable, not 100%, but the hammer doesn&#8217;t fall and fail to ignite the primmer nearly as often.</p>
<p>And it makes dry firing with the safety on a much better proposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay G.</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210004</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unc, I posted about my &lt;a href=&quot;http://stuckinmassachusetts.blogspot.com/2007/05/loudest-sound.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ND&lt;/a&gt; a while back. It was a .45. In Mom &amp; Dad&#039;s house.

Fortunately, no one was hurt. 

Good on you for posting this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unc, I posted about my <a href="http://stuckinmassachusetts.blogspot.com/2007/05/loudest-sound.html" rel="nofollow">ND</a> a while back. It was a .45. In Mom &amp; Dad&#8217;s house.</p>
<p>Fortunately, no one was hurt. </p>
<p>Good on you for posting this.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-210002</link>
		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64717&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rimfire Central Forums&lt;/a&gt; have reported both forms of that issue, drstrangegun.  Seems extremely rare to have safety failures, but it&#039;s been reported.  As always, &lt;i&gt;do not trust mechanical safeties&lt;/i&gt;.

And, yeah, not too impressed by the P22.  It&#039;s got its place, but there are better, cheaper 22s out there for most uses.

Good luck placating the Wife, saysuncle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people on the <a href="http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64717" rel="nofollow">Rimfire Central Forums</a> have reported both forms of that issue, drstrangegun.  Seems extremely rare to have safety failures, but it&#8217;s been reported.  As always, <i>do not trust mechanical safeties</i>.</p>
<p>And, yeah, not too impressed by the P22.  It&#8217;s got its place, but there are better, cheaper 22s out there for most uses.</p>
<p>Good luck placating the Wife, saysuncle.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209998</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had my ND about thirty years ago with a Winchester Model 94.  I was letting the hammer down and it slipped my grip.  Very surprising, and I got away with it because I knew where it was pointed: at the ground.

My thumb ended up right up against the hammer when it went off.  The blood-blister was a thing to behold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had my ND about thirty years ago with a Winchester Model 94.  I was letting the hammer down and it slipped my grip.  Very surprising, and I got away with it because I knew where it was pointed: at the ground.</p>
<p>My thumb ended up right up against the hammer when it went off.  The blood-blister was a thing to behold.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209995</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bruce, it can be. but try finding an empty mag in my house.&lt;/i&gt;

Either you don&#039;t have enough magazines, or I don&#039;t have enough ammunition :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bruce, it can be. but try finding an empty mag in my house.</i></p>
<p>Either you don&#8217;t have enough magazines, or I don&#8217;t have enough ammunition <img src='http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: drstrangegun</title>
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		<dc:creator>drstrangegun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike W, 

On the walther P22 there is no decocking function, and there is also no positive lock. The only safety beyond the mag disconnect is a slide-mounted hammer block, which engaged allows the pistol to do everything else normally (chamber, extract, drop hammer) except fire.

That is, then it can be trusted. Some P22s loosen to the point where the safety will engage itself... wouldn&#039;t be too far off having one where the safety DISengages itself under pressure from the hammer. 

I have one. Tremendous concept, lousy execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike W, </p>
<p>On the walther P22 there is no decocking function, and there is also no positive lock. The only safety beyond the mag disconnect is a slide-mounted hammer block, which engaged allows the pistol to do everything else normally (chamber, extract, drop hammer) except fire.</p>
<p>That is, then it can be trusted. Some P22s loosen to the point where the safety will engage itself&#8230; wouldn&#8217;t be too far off having one where the safety DISengages itself under pressure from the hammer. </p>
<p>I have one. Tremendous concept, lousy execution.</p>
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		<title>By: mike w.</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209991</link>
		<dc:creator>mike w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That seems like a weird/stupid design.  Why not just design it so the safety doubles as a decocker?  with my Firestorm .22 simply pushing the safety past safe will decock the weapon.

If I&#039;m reading your post right the mag disconnect requires you to pull the trigger in order to release the hammer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That seems like a weird/stupid design.  Why not just design it so the safety doubles as a decocker?  with my Firestorm .22 simply pushing the safety past safe will decock the weapon.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m reading your post right the mag disconnect requires you to pull the trigger in order to release the hammer?</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209990</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JKB, I say negligent because I could have engaged the safety; not bothered decocking it; or just not loaded it.

Bruce, it can be. but try finding an empty mag in my house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JKB, I say negligent because I could have engaged the safety; not bothered decocking it; or just not loaded it.</p>
<p>Bruce, it can be. but try finding an empty mag in my house.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209989</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had one of those, similar situation.  Divot in the concrete, bruised ego, and &quot;boy am I glad I was following the 4 rules.&quot;

Oh yeah, the pissed off wife too.

And you know they never forget anything, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had one of those, similar situation.  Divot in the concrete, bruised ego, and &#8220;boy am I glad I was following the 4 rules.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh yeah, the pissed off wife too.</p>
<p>And you know they never forget anything, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209988</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I assume the pistol can be decocked with an &lt;em&gt;empty&lt;/em&gt; magazine in it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I assume the pistol can be decocked with an <em>empty</em> magazine in it?</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209987</link>
		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got to take issue with calling it a negligent discharge.  Perhaps that is norm but that implies that you failed to take the usual care under the circumstances and would frame any legal proceedings against you.  From your description, you took proper care in the decocking, i.e., it was an accident.

I&#039;d call it an unintentional discharge (UI).  Could be negligent, could be accidental but it was unintentional.

You have to think about how the naming of such things will appear in court or the newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to take issue with calling it a negligent discharge.  Perhaps that is norm but that implies that you failed to take the usual care under the circumstances and would frame any legal proceedings against you.  From your description, you took proper care in the decocking, i.e., it was an accident.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d call it an unintentional discharge (UI).  Could be negligent, could be accidental but it was unintentional.</p>
<p>You have to think about how the naming of such things will appear in court or the newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: drstrangegun</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209986</link>
		<dc:creator>drstrangegun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My P22 has been in it&#039;s box for a long time now. 

A pistol either needs a striker, a decocker, or some means to positively lock the hammer back, *period*. The only reason it&#039;s not gone is that I&#039;ve never sold a gun and don&#039;t intend to... the little bugger may find itself with a suppressor on it&#039;s nose as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My P22 has been in it&#8217;s box for a long time now. </p>
<p>A pistol either needs a striker, a decocker, or some means to positively lock the hammer back, *period*. The only reason it&#8217;s not gone is that I&#8217;ve never sold a gun and don&#8217;t intend to&#8230; the little bugger may find itself with a suppressor on it&#8217;s nose as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahab</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209985</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They say that if you&#039;re a shooter and you haven&#039;t had an ND, you haven&#039;t been shooting long enough.  I had one once during a bullseye match about a jillion years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say that if you&#8217;re a shooter and you haven&#8217;t had an ND, you haven&#8217;t been shooting long enough.  I had one once during a bullseye match about a jillion years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/11/10/nd/comment-page-1/#comment-209983</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same thing happened to me, but in a worse location...future in-laws basement!  Yeah, I felt like a jackass confessing that one...It happens, don&#039;t be too hard on yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing happened to me, but in a worse location&#8230;future in-laws basement!  Yeah, I felt like a jackass confessing that one&#8230;It happens, don&#8217;t be too hard on yourself.</p>
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