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		<title>By: milquetoast</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/23/fact-checking-fact-check/comment-page-1/#comment-207567</link>
		<dc:creator>milquetoast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;he did write a bill that made operating a gun shop within five miles...&lt;/i&gt;

he proposed a federal ban within 5 miles of schools &lt;b&gt;and parks&lt;/b&gt; but I&#039;m prety sure he didn&#039;t write a bill. As a Illinois State Senator in 1999 he wouldn&#039;t be writing a federal law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>he did write a bill that made operating a gun shop within five miles&#8230;</i></p>
<p>he proposed a federal ban within 5 miles of schools <b>and parks</b> but I&#8217;m prety sure he didn&#8217;t write a bill. As a Illinois State Senator in 1999 he wouldn&#8217;t be writing a federal law.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/23/fact-checking-fact-check/comment-page-1/#comment-207552</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manish, who gives a crap about that librarian?  You accused Palin of banning books, which she neither did nor attempted to do.  I&#039;ll grant that Palin is OK with &quot;denying 4th amendment rights to terrorists,&quot; though (your words, not mine) as is everyone else who isn&#039;t completely insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manish, who gives a crap about that librarian?  You accused Palin of banning books, which she neither did nor attempted to do.  I&#8217;ll grant that Palin is OK with &#8220;denying 4th amendment rights to terrorists,&#8221; though (your words, not mine) as is everyone else who isn&#8217;t completely insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Manish</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/23/fact-checking-fact-check/comment-page-1/#comment-207549</link>
		<dc:creator>Manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gattsuru..last I checked she inquired about banning books and tried to fire the town librarian when she gave her the wrong answer.  Don&#039;t you think that maybe just maybe if the librarian had given a different answer that quite possibly Palin wouldn&#039;t have tried to fire her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gattsuru..last I checked she inquired about banning books and tried to fire the town librarian when she gave her the wrong answer.  Don&#8217;t you think that maybe just maybe if the librarian had given a different answer that quite possibly Palin wouldn&#8217;t have tried to fire her.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manish, last I checked, she never banned a book.  The town she was a mayor of never banned a book.  So it&#039;s a bit difficult to she&#039;d be &#039;okay&#039; or &#039;not okay&#039; with the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manish, last I checked, she never banned a book.  The town she was a mayor of never banned a book.  So it&#8217;s a bit difficult to she&#8217;d be &#8216;okay&#8217; or &#8216;not okay&#8217; with the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Manish</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/23/fact-checking-fact-check/comment-page-1/#comment-207541</link>
		<dc:creator>Manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ka...I hardly think that respect for the 2nd amendment is a panacea for respecting other liberties. Palin herself seems to respect RKBA, but seems to think that banning books, denying 4th amendment rights to terrorists is ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ka&#8230;I hardly think that respect for the 2nd amendment is a panacea for respecting other liberties. Palin herself seems to respect RKBA, but seems to think that banning books, denying 4th amendment rights to terrorists is ok.</p>
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		<title>By: DJK</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/23/fact-checking-fact-check/comment-page-1/#comment-207535</link>
		<dc:creator>DJK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will that buffoon finally stroke out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will that buffoon finally stroke out?</p>
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		<title>By: ka</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/23/fact-checking-fact-check/comment-page-1/#comment-207533</link>
		<dc:creator>ka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;unless of course said gun owner cared about other rights. From a states right to allow dispensation of medical marijuana, abortion, the 4th Amendment, etc.&quot;

You are right. I looked at it from a single-issue stand point. To me if candidate doesn&#039;t have real support for the plainly stated 2nd amendment then I have a hard time believing he will support other parts of the Constitution he may or may not like. And really no reason to believe a word he says on things that aren&#039;t in the Constitution at all, such as medical marijuana or abortion.

But agreed, just because you own guns doesn&#039;t mean you vote only that issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;unless of course said gun owner cared about other rights. From a states right to allow dispensation of medical marijuana, abortion, the 4th Amendment, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are right. I looked at it from a single-issue stand point. To me if candidate doesn&#8217;t have real support for the plainly stated 2nd amendment then I have a hard time believing he will support other parts of the Constitution he may or may not like. And really no reason to believe a word he says on things that aren&#8217;t in the Constitution at all, such as medical marijuana or abortion.</p>
<p>But agreed, just because you own guns doesn&#8217;t mean you vote only that issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Weisenheimer Brainstorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weisenheimer Brainstorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FactCheck is an arm of Annenberg. The same Annenberg that Gave Obama his job in 1995 with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge with admitted terrorist Bill Ayers. Maybe FactCheck is playing it neutral, but I wouldn&#039;t bet on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FactCheck is an arm of Annenberg. The same Annenberg that Gave Obama his job in 1995 with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge with admitted terrorist Bill Ayers. Maybe FactCheck is playing it neutral, but I wouldn&#8217;t bet on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Heckler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heckler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found Fact Check to be a little iffy, particularly in regard to some chick named Sarah Palin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found Fact Check to be a little iffy, particularly in regard to some chick named Sarah Palin.</p>
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		<title>By: Manish</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/23/fact-checking-fact-check/comment-page-1/#comment-207522</link>
		<dc:creator>Manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Funny thing is, even if FactCheck is 100% right in characterizing Obama?s positions, no self-respecting gun owner should even consider voting for him.&lt;/i&gt;

unless of course said gun owner cared about other rights.  From a states right to allow dispensation of medical marijuana, abortion, the 4th Amendment, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Funny thing is, even if FactCheck is 100% right in characterizing Obama?s positions, no self-respecting gun owner should even consider voting for him.</i></p>
<p>unless of course said gun owner cared about other rights.  From a states right to allow dispensation of medical marijuana, abortion, the 4th Amendment, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ka</title>
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		<dc:creator>ka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing is, even if FactCheck is 100% right in characterizing Obama&#039;s positions, no self-respecting gun owner should even consider voting for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing is, even if FactCheck is 100% right in characterizing Obama&#8217;s positions, no self-respecting gun owner should even consider voting for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why http://www.politifact.com hasn&#039;t spent more time on the topic?  At least they are a _little_ more honest than factcheck...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why <a href="http://www.politifact.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.politifact.com</a> hasn&#8217;t spent more time on the topic?  At least they are a _little_ more honest than factcheck&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link is &lt;a href=&quot;http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2004_record&amp;page=S1634&amp;position=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (pdf warning), countertop.  It&#039;s about half-way down the third column.

&lt;b&gt;Kennedy&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers? armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.  It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He also singles out .223 and 7.62 ammo, although not quite so bombastically.  I was hoping tgirsch would say I was taking the text of the law out of reasonable reading before I needed to bring that quote up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link is <a href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2004_record&amp;page=S1634&amp;position=all" rel="nofollow">here</a> (pdf warning), countertop.  It&#8217;s about half-way down the third column.</p>
<p><b>Kennedy</b></p>
<blockquote><p>Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers? armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.  It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.</p></blockquote>
<p>He also singles out .223 and 7.62 ammo, although not quite so bombastically.  I was hoping tgirsch would say I was taking the text of the law out of reasonable reading before I needed to bring that quote up.</p>
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		<title>By: countertop</title>
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		<dc:creator>countertop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case that link doesn&#039;t work.  The debate took place on Februyary 26, 2004.  It is located on page S 1634 of the Congressional Record. 

Someone - the NRA perhaps - ought to run the video of Kennedy speaking about the need to ban the 30-30, run Obama&#039;s statement that he doesn&#039;t want to ban hunting rifles - and then run his quote (and take down Factcheck.com for the fraud it is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case that link doesn&#8217;t work.  The debate took place on Februyary 26, 2004.  It is located on page S 1634 of the Congressional Record. </p>
<p>Someone &#8211; the NRA perhaps &#8211; ought to run the video of Kennedy speaking about the need to ban the 30-30, run Obama&#8217;s statement that he doesn&#8217;t want to ban hunting rifles &#8211; and then run his quote (and take down Factcheck.com for the fraud it is).</p>
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		<title>By: countertop</title>
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		<dc:creator>countertop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here ya &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:1:./temp/~r108mIzMiu:e207032:&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;go&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;   I direct my colleagues&#039; attention to the Web site of Hi-Vel, Incorporated, a self-described exotic products distributor and manufacturer in Delta, UT. You can access its online catalog on the Internet right now. Hi-Vel&#039;s catalog lists an entry for armor-piercing ammunition. On that page you will find a listing for armor-piercing bullets that can penetrate metal objects. The bullets are available in packages of 10 for $9.95 each. Hi-Vel carries armor-piercing bullets for both the .223 caliber rifles such as the Bushmaster sniper rifle used in the Washington area attacks in October 2002, and the 7.62 caliber assault weapons. Over the past 10 years, these two caliber weapons were responsible for the deaths of 14 of the 20 law enforcement officers killed by ammunition that penetrated body armor.

   In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.

   &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers&#039; armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

   It is &lt;i&gt;outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America. Armor-piercing ammunition for rifles and assault weapons is virtually unregulated in the United States&lt;/i&gt;. A Federal license is not required to sell such ammunition unless firearms are sold as well. Anyone over the age of 18 may purchase this ammunition without a background check. There is no Federal minimum age of possession. Purchases may be made over the counter, by mail order, by fax, by Internet, and there is &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Folks, we can debate about .223 and 7.62x39 (well, we can&#039;t - but in the court of public opinion we can) but THERE IS NO DEBATE ABOUT THE VENERABLE Thurty Thurty.

Kennedy&#039;s amendment DIRECTLY targeted hunting Ammo.  AND Barack &quot;You Can Call Me What You Want, Just Don&#039;t Call me Gun Ban Hussein&quot; Obama supported it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here ya <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:1:./temp/~r108mIzMiu:e207032:" rel="nofollow">go</a></p>
<blockquote><p>   I direct my colleagues&#8217; attention to the Web site of Hi-Vel, Incorporated, a self-described exotic products distributor and manufacturer in Delta, UT. You can access its online catalog on the Internet right now. Hi-Vel&#8217;s catalog lists an entry for armor-piercing ammunition. On that page you will find a listing for armor-piercing bullets that can penetrate metal objects. The bullets are available in packages of 10 for $9.95 each. Hi-Vel carries armor-piercing bullets for both the .223 caliber rifles such as the Bushmaster sniper rifle used in the Washington area attacks in October 2002, and the 7.62 caliber assault weapons. Over the past 10 years, these two caliber weapons were responsible for the deaths of 14 of the 20 law enforcement officers killed by ammunition that penetrated body armor.</p>
<p>   In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.</p>
<p>   <i><b>Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers&#8217; armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.</b></i></p>
<p>   It is <i>outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America. Armor-piercing ammunition for rifles and assault weapons is virtually unregulated in the United States</i>. A Federal license is not required to sell such ammunition unless firearms are sold as well. Anyone over the age of 18 may purchase this ammunition without a background check. There is no Federal minimum age of possession. Purchases may be made over the counter, by mail order, by fax, by Internet, and there is </p></blockquote>
<p>Folks, we can debate about .223 and 7.62&#215;39 (well, we can&#8217;t &#8211; but in the court of public opinion we can) but THERE IS NO DEBATE ABOUT THE VENERABLE Thurty Thurty.</p>
<p>Kennedy&#8217;s amendment DIRECTLY targeted hunting Ammo.  AND Barack &#8220;You Can Call Me What You Want, Just Don&#8217;t Call me Gun Ban Hussein&#8221; Obama supported it.</p>
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		<title>By: countertop</title>
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		<dc:creator>countertop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the hunting ammo thing - Kennedy very clearly stated he wanted to ban all 30 caliber rifle ammo - that 30 caliber rifle ammo was designed to pierce body armor. Give me a minute and I&#039;ll pull the quote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the hunting ammo thing &#8211; Kennedy very clearly stated he wanted to ban all 30 caliber rifle ammo &#8211; that 30 caliber rifle ammo was designed to pierce body armor. Give me a minute and I&#8217;ll pull the quote</p>
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