Comments on: Ya know what we’ve not seen in a while? http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/09/ya-know-what-weve-not-seen-in-a-while/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:38:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Thomas http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/09/ya-know-what-weve-not-seen-in-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-206608 Thomas Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:01:31 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=18084#comment-206608 Hell, just about ANY centerfire rifle will defeat level IIA, II or even IIIA. Only when you get up to level III does it really start to do a good job with rifle cartridges. Level III is supposed to stop up to 6 shots from 7.62 x 51 Nato ball that travels up to 2800 fps. I don't know any, or heard of any line officers that wear anything past IIIA. And as said before, most wear IIA or II. The ONLY level that offers protection agains ACTUAL armor piercing ammo is level IV. So, by Lt. Richard Borgers logic, they don't like to see any centerfire rifle ammo. Lt Borgers, it sounds like you need to upgrade your body armor. Hell, just about ANY centerfire rifle will defeat level IIA, II or even IIIA. Only when you get up to level III does it really start to do a good job with rifle cartridges. Level III is supposed to stop up to 6 shots from 7.62 x 51 Nato ball that travels up to 2800 fps.

I don’t know any, or heard of any line officers that wear anything past IIIA. And as said before, most wear IIA or II. The ONLY level that offers protection agains ACTUAL armor piercing ammo is level IV.

So, by Lt. Richard Borgers logic, they don’t like to see any centerfire rifle ammo. Lt Borgers, it sounds like you need to upgrade your body armor.

]]> By: BobG http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/09/ya-know-what-weve-not-seen-in-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-206579 BobG Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:07:37 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=18084#comment-206579 Hell, a 30-30 is a touch more powerful than a 7.63×39; why isn't anyone getting excited over those? And I know a couple of old-timers who can run that lever action pretty damn fast. Hell, a 30-30 is a touch more powerful than a 7.63×39; why isn’t anyone getting excited over those? And I know a couple of old-timers who can run that lever action pretty damn fast.

]]> By: Mike http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/09/ya-know-what-weve-not-seen-in-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-206574 Mike Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:38:05 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=18084#comment-206574 I think Level IIIA with a ballistic plate will stop one or two 7.63x39 rounds, but most beat cops are wearing IIA with no plates (SWAT and other entry teams will wear the better stuff). Plates will not stop full power rifle cartridges until you get out to some decent ranges. My .45 +P has a decent chance of going through level IIA, incidentally. 185 grains at 1150fps is getting up there. I don't think a .357 will flinch at IIA, and none of the handgun hunting rounds will have any trouble with it. FN's 5.7 round will pierce IIA without any trouble IIRC. I think Level IIIA with a ballistic plate will stop one or two 7.63×39 rounds, but most beat cops are wearing IIA with no plates (SWAT and other entry teams will wear the better stuff). Plates will not stop full power rifle cartridges until you get out to some decent ranges. My .45 +P has a decent chance of going through level IIA, incidentally. 185 grains at 1150fps is getting up there. I don’t think a .357 will flinch at IIA, and none of the handgun hunting rounds will have any trouble with it. FN’s 5.7 round will pierce IIA without any trouble IIRC.

]]> By: HardCorps http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/09/09/ya-know-what-weve-not-seen-in-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-206573 HardCorps Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:29:19 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=18084#comment-206573 I'm pretty sure any .308 available at walmart will penetrate body armor, car doors, frame houses, even concrete hollow block buildings...FYI! I’m pretty sure any .308 available at walmart will penetrate body armor, car doors, frame houses, even concrete hollow block buildings…FYI!

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