Comments on: ATF & Shoulder Stocks http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/08/29/atf-shoulder-stocks/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:12:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jim W http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/08/29/atf-shoulder-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-205965 Jim W Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:18:29 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=17791#comment-205965 Oh, that's even more harmless than I imagined. Oh, that’s even more harmless than I imagined.

]]> By: straightarrow http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/08/29/atf-shoulder-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-205955 straightarrow Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:22:56 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=17791#comment-205955 They were threaded for insertion to the receiver to convert the makarov to .380, not to add a suppressor. They were threaded for insertion to the receiver to convert the makarov to .380, not to add a suppressor.

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/08/29/atf-shoulder-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-205934 SayUncle Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:56:39 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=17791#comment-205934 they were makarovs. and DOJ has had a hard on for kwan for years. they were makarovs. and DOJ has had a hard on for kwan for years.

]]> By: Jim W http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/08/29/atf-shoulder-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-205933 Jim W Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:53:38 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=17791#comment-205933 Also, as a side note, makarovs, even with threaded barrels, make very poor guns for suppressed use. The increased pressure in the barrel from the can opens the slide too quickly and you get a ton of noise out of the ejection port instead of out the barrel. I find it unlikely that kwan wouldn't have known this, seeing as he was a dealer in such items and could have discovered this problem by simply affixing one of his 9mm suppressors to such a gun and firing it. IMO, the whole thing is just the ATF and FBI grasping at straws because they don't want to leave the assassination of a federal prosecutor unsolved. The fact that convicting an innocent man doesn't really count as solving the crime seems to have been lost on them. Also, as a side note, makarovs, even with threaded barrels, make very poor guns for suppressed use. The increased pressure in the barrel from the can opens the slide too quickly and you get a ton of noise out of the ejection port instead of out the barrel. I find it unlikely that kwan wouldn’t have known this, seeing as he was a dealer in such items and could have discovered this problem by simply affixing one of his 9mm suppressors to such a gun and firing it.

IMO, the whole thing is just the ATF and FBI grasping at straws because they don’t want to leave the assassination of a federal prosecutor unsolved. The fact that convicting an innocent man doesn’t really count as solving the crime seems to have been lost on them.

]]> By: Jim W http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/08/29/atf-shoulder-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-205931 Jim W Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:49:53 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=17791#comment-205931 I really don't remember precisely, but the barrels were threaded tokarev barrels or makarov barrels or something similar and kwan was a makarov collector or something along those lines. It was something I deduced from the various case filings, but I read it years ago. The barrels are like the kind that sportsman's guide sells in their catalog (there is a page full of threaded or compensated replacement pistol barrels). Nothing particularly rare or exotic. I really don’t remember precisely, but the barrels were threaded tokarev barrels or makarov barrels or something similar and kwan was a makarov collector or something along those lines. It was something I deduced from the various case filings, but I read it years ago.

The barrels are like the kind that sportsman’s guide sells in their catalog (there is a page full of threaded or compensated replacement pistol barrels). Nothing particularly rare or exotic.

]]> By: Jim W http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/08/29/atf-shoulder-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-205930 Jim W Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:46:38 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=17791#comment-205930 This is the same Kwan they have been trying to railroad for years because: -some local federal prosecutor got killed -the ballistics said it was from a particular type of barrel -kwan at one time owned a bunch of said barrels (he was a firearms dealer and owned vast quantities of pretty much anything) -kwan was able to account for all but one of these particular barrels -they think kwan did the killing or knows who did it -they have no evidence relating to the killing beyond the body and the slug -so they have been trying to prosecute kwan for weapons violations -and of course kwan was extremely meticulous (like most NFA collectors) so he isn't guilty of any such violations. And as a result: -cue injustice This is the same Kwan they have been trying to railroad for years because:
-some local federal prosecutor got killed
-the ballistics said it was from a particular type of barrel
-kwan at one time owned a bunch of said barrels (he was a firearms dealer and owned vast quantities of pretty much anything)
-kwan was able to account for all but one of these particular barrels
-they think kwan did the killing or knows who did it
-they have no evidence relating to the killing beyond the body and the slug
-so they have been trying to prosecute kwan for weapons violations
-and of course kwan was extremely meticulous (like most NFA collectors) so he isn’t guilty of any such violations.

And as a result:
-cue injustice

]]> By: ATLien http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/08/29/atf-shoulder-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-205885 ATLien Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:41:14 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=17791#comment-205885 I say we hunt them like squirrels. I say we hunt them like squirrels.

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