Comments on: NJ Police to get spray-firing bullet hoses

By: Letalis Maximus, Esq.

Letalis Maximus, Esq. — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:05:52 +0000

But but but the M1 Carbine isn’t all black and ninja and ATAS. And the Delta Force doesn’t use them. I mean, after all, cops gotta spend confiscated drug money on *something* and spending it on hookers and booze gets bad press.

By: Lyle

Lyle — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:28:02 +0000

“I�d rather they have semi-auto carbines and training than SMGs, even SMGs with training.” Agreed. A .30 carbine or AR-15 in M4 config. would be a better choice for most. More power, fewer stray bullets. I’m a little bit surprised the handy little .30 carbine doesn’t get much attention from LEOs, while they seem to go more for the 9 mms and .223s. We even have more LEO customers interested in AKs than in the .30 Carbine.

By: Lyle

Lyle — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:14:02 +0000

Sigivald: The MP-38 was a sub gun, chambered for the 9 mm para.. The STG was the first assault rifle, chambered for the 8 mm kurtz, or “short” (a shortened version of their 8 mm rifle cartridge–medium powered) IIRC.

By: straightarrow

straightarrow — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:30:59 +0000

What? You mean actual automatic weapons didn’t suddenly turn into “patrol rifles” when the cops got ‘em?

Somebody getting called on the editor’s carpet right this minute for that propaganda oversight.

By: Ken

Ken — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:48:57 +0000

Quote: The head of the National Police Defense Foundation said after the massacre at Columbine police departments started realizing they couldn’t wait for the S.W.A.T. team, or for Emergency Services to bring them sophisticated rifles.

“When you have to wait, five, 10, 15 minutes � during that interim people could be dying, so who they are equipping is the local responding police officer, so he has the right equipment,” said Joe Occhipinti of the NPDF.
End Quote

Funny how the police can use this argument, but they say it doesn’t hold for us mere civilians…

By: Sigivald

Sigivald — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:40:18 +0000

Wizard: Well, the UMP is a lot closer to really being an assault rifle than anything normally given that label.

All it needs is a medium-power round rather than a pistol round and it’d be one in the correct sense of the term.

(I mean, really, it’s just an updated MP-38 – functionally speaking – and that was a Sturmgewehr 60 years ago!)

Uncle: I’m all for cops being able to shoot back, though as Zendo and the original article say I’m not sure Bergen Co. Sheriffs are all that outgunned.

But I dunno that they really need SMGs as much as training, considering how terrible most cops are at actually hitting their target.

I’d rather they have semi-auto carbines and training than SMGs, even SMGs with training.

By: Zendo Deb

Zendo Deb — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:58:23 +0000

The thing I loved in the article I read was “In 2006 and 2007 combined, police officers in Bergen County fired 13 bullets: 10 shots to kill sick or dangerous animals (most of them in Norwood), and three accidental firings during the disassembly or inspection of a gun.”
http://www.policeone.com/training/articles/1727579-N-J-police-stockpile-assault-weapons/

There is a snarky post there somewhere…. Should be negligent discharge, but that’s propaganda for you.

By: wizardpc

wizardpc — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:43:13 +0000

I love how she confuses “assault weapons” with “automatic weapons that no mere civilian in New Jersey is even allowed to touch”

btw, isnt a lever action .22 an assault weapon in NJ?

By: RyanC

RyanC — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:38:37 +0000

FWIW: The UMP is one of the three authorized long arms of the CBP, alongside the M4 and 870 shorty. Popular for BP Agents in urban areas. I always thought they felt a little cheap for the cost.