Thank you for proving once again that the anti-Chirstian people are strikingly similar to the anti-gun people. Nothing says ‘I have a point’ quite like taking a single sentence from a large collection of work and stripping entirely of context!

“Second caller (we get back to back God Squad call ins today) basically gave another sermon about getting God back in our government and how God founded our government. I shit you not.”

So you’re admitting to being completely and totally ignorant of anything remotely resembling knowlege of the traditions and morallity that our nation was founded on?

That was pretty much the point of the biological mother of my last foster child.

Seriously this might actually kill his bid to be President and put Hillary back in the saddle. His poll numbers are bad right now, when Kerry in 2004 lead by more than 10+points.

The full explanation is really complex and I’m waiting for FactCheck.org to put something up. They haven’t yet and it’s probably because they’re trying to nail everything down.

I’m not a Christian myself but a lot of my friends are and some are Obama supporters. When I finished the complete explanation some of them looked like it would’ve been kinder to have kicked them between the legs.

The main reason they’re coming out now is that Obama has been caught in a big-time lie about a bill he quashed several times as a member of the Illinois legislature. The bill, which he utterly opposed, would provide human rights and medical care to infants that survived an abortion attempt and were *born*.

I.e. out of the womb. No longer dependent on the mother for life. etc etc etc.

I think it was called The Born Alive Act.

Basically CBN, Christian Broadcasting Network, broke the story shortly after the debate at Saddleback and interviewed Obama directly who called the people saying he opposed the bill were “liars”. Then his campaign got into it and started calling everyone liars. Then CBN went through the archives of the Illinois legislature and found documentation that showed that yes indeed Obama obstructed, voted against and help kill this bill. And remember all this bill would do is provide human rights and medical care to infants that survived an abortion attempt. Infants that were, at that time, being set aside in a dirty closet to die without any medical attention.

His biggest problem is that he’s been passing himself off as someone who would support the *federal* bill, when in fact he did his utmost to kill the state version, which were identical.

Now he’s eating crow, having to admit that he lied and trying his best to spin it so he doesn’t lose every single Evangelical or devout Christian.

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Frankly whether or not you’re pro-life or pro-choice I hope it isn’t that hard a decision to make that an infant that is born here is a citizen, a human being and deserving of care.

Except Barack Obama precisely does not believe this, and it is causing him huge problems.

So there you have it– right from God himself (hey, if other people can claim to be getting messages from God, certainly I should be taken with equal seriousness, what with having been created equal and all– or do I have to perform some magic tricks first?).

Besides, more leftists are getting abortions or having smaller families thereby reducing their numbers, while more large families are conservative. Maybe we should just wait this thing out a while longer.

Regardless, that was a pretty weak response by Obama to that question. But gotta love the liberal media responses to saying how nuanced he was, treating McCain’s answer as if it was wrong because it was not as woven with mystical tapestry as Obama’s answer was.

Punching a pregnant woman and causing a miscarriage may be more equivalent to today’s negligent homicide as the death of the child may not have been the intent of the action.

The intent is never directly addressed so it may be that it is irrelevent or it may be that it was assumed the miscarriage was incidental. Which is it? I’ve no idea. There are a lot better educated O.T. scholars out there than me (whether Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, or even Jewish) and none of them, to my knowledge, seem to take that interpretation. I realize it’s an appeal to authority, but when you have so many groups who disagree with each other so vociferously about so much in the Bible and they still agree on this one topic, I kinda have to think they may be correct.

that whole part about believing in Roe v. Wade (whatever that means).

couldn’t really say, but i’m gonna SWAG that it means he believes it’s a decent, workable compromise that’s better than having no compromise, and/or better than what came before it, and/or better than what’s so far been proposed to replace it. i’m guessing this because it’s a sense in which i too might say i “believe” in Roe.

You know, they could take a point or two from the gunnies about using rational arguments instead of heated rhetoric.

Something like, “Roe vs. Wade is logical, if you assume that human life begins at birth and there is a Constitutional right to privacy which doesn’t allow States to write their own birth-control laws. But we think the court was mistaken, and human life begins when there is a unique genetic entity (or brainwave pattern, or heartbeat).”

On the other hand, I don’t want to be given credit for arguments about “common-sense abortion controls” which are analogous to the Brady’s “common-sense gun laws”.