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		<title>By: teqjack</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202437</link>
		<dc:creator>teqjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABout DC claiming semi-auto handguns are still banned: seems that under DC law they are &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;machine guns!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vpc.org/press/0806heller.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Pistols&quot; still banned&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Court’s ruling today does not appear to affect the District’s ban on “machine guns,” which under DC law includes any gun “which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily converted or restored to shoot semiautomatically, more than 12 shots without manual reloading.” This definition would include virtually all semiautomatic handguns. As a result, the District’s ban can remain in force for those types of handguns, commonly known as pistols. In essence, the Court’s ruling for the most part will only affect revolvers and derringers. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABout DC claiming semi-auto handguns are still banned: seems that under DC law they are <em><strong>machine guns!</strong></em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.vpc.org/press/0806heller.htm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Pistols&#8221; still banned</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>The Court’s ruling today does not appear to affect the District’s ban on “machine guns,” which under DC law includes any gun “which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily converted or restored to shoot semiautomatically, more than 12 shots without manual reloading.” This definition would include virtually all semiautomatic handguns. As a result, the District’s ban can remain in force for those types of handguns, commonly known as pistols. In essence, the Court’s ruling for the most part will only affect revolvers and derringers. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202387</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education, reasonable discourse, appeal to humanitarian principles, morality, respect and call to honor are all wasted on that ilk. The only thing that really settles the question when dealing with that kind is force.

Nobody is really ready to engage in it at this point. Us, because we are basically peacable and reasonable and have trouble wrapping our heads around the truth that some are immune to reason, logic, and morality. Them, because they are sociopaths who want what they want and don&#039;t care what atrocities they must perform to get it.

We don&#039;t really believe we will win this battle on the moral and principled plane through debate, but we hope so hard that it is so that we suspend disbelief.

They don&#039;t commit the atrocities necessary because they are not guaranteed to win the physical confrontation that those atrocities might foment.  Though Waco and other events have made them much more hopeful of consequentless atrocity commission.  They just aren&#039;t as confident as they would like to be before embarking openly and enthusiastically on that course.  That is the only brake on their desire to do so.  That brake will eventually fail.

Force will be used to decide the issue. It is unavoidable because of the nature of our oppositiion.  The only real question is will their force be met with force.  But force will decide the issue.  

Due to my age and state of health, I may not be around to participate, but when it happens, remember where you heard it.  You will find I waa not as crazy as you had hoped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education, reasonable discourse, appeal to humanitarian principles, morality, respect and call to honor are all wasted on that ilk. The only thing that really settles the question when dealing with that kind is force.</p>
<p>Nobody is really ready to engage in it at this point. Us, because we are basically peacable and reasonable and have trouble wrapping our heads around the truth that some are immune to reason, logic, and morality. Them, because they are sociopaths who want what they want and don&#8217;t care what atrocities they must perform to get it.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t really believe we will win this battle on the moral and principled plane through debate, but we hope so hard that it is so that we suspend disbelief.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t commit the atrocities necessary because they are not guaranteed to win the physical confrontation that those atrocities might foment.  Though Waco and other events have made them much more hopeful of consequentless atrocity commission.  They just aren&#8217;t as confident as they would like to be before embarking openly and enthusiastically on that course.  That is the only brake on their desire to do so.  That brake will eventually fail.</p>
<p>Force will be used to decide the issue. It is unavoidable because of the nature of our oppositiion.  The only real question is will their force be met with force.  But force will decide the issue.  </p>
<p>Due to my age and state of health, I may not be around to participate, but when it happens, remember where you heard it.  You will find I waa not as crazy as you had hoped.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilgor</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202341</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilgor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...semiautomatic handguns generally remain illegal and may not be registered.&quot;

WTF???  The Heller decision affirms that the people have a right to keep and bear those arms which are in common usage.  This isn&#039;t 1930.  Semiauto handguns ARE the standard self defense weapon.

These people can go to hell.  Soon I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;semiautomatic handguns generally remain illegal and may not be registered.&#8221;</p>
<p>WTF???  The Heller decision affirms that the people have a right to keep and bear those arms which are in common usage.  This isn&#8217;t 1930.  Semiauto handguns ARE the standard self defense weapon.</p>
<p>These people can go to hell.  Soon I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hardin</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202312</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Don&#039;t piss the court off&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, no, you&#039;re wrong. We &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; Fenty to piss the court off. Please. We would gain ground every time he did so, and got slapped for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Don&#8217;t piss the court off&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Oh, no, you&#8217;re wrong. We <i>want</i> Fenty to piss the court off. Please. We would gain ground every time he did so, and got slapped for it.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202302</link>
		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I would believe that when I saw it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That he doesn&#039;t have 3 million people that&#039;d vote for whatever he said?  Unlike Stalin, D.C.&#039;s government doesn&#039;t have much of a standing army.  All they have is people that&#039;d follow their vote.  At this point, I have little doubt Scalia could get more people&#039;s attention than anything Fenty could rant about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would believe that when I saw it.</p></blockquote>
<p>That he doesn&#8217;t have 3 million people that&#8217;d vote for whatever he said?  Unlike Stalin, D.C.&#8217;s government doesn&#8217;t have much of a standing army.  All they have is people that&#8217;d follow their vote.  At this point, I have little doubt Scalia could get more people&#8217;s attention than anything Fenty could rant about.</p>
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		<title>By: Justthisguy</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202300</link>
		<dc:creator>Justthisguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no point in trying to engage those people rationlly.  Being bullies by nature, and understanding social relations as dominance games, I do think the only argument which&#039;ll work with them, is well, force, since they are invincible to reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no point in trying to engage those people rationlly.  Being bullies by nature, and understanding social relations as dominance games, I do think the only argument which&#8217;ll work with them, is well, force, since they are invincible to reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202299</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would believe that when I saw it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would believe that when I saw it.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202297</link>
		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“How many divisions does Scalia have?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For the next few months, probably about 3 million people worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“How many divisions does Scalia have?”</p></blockquote>
<p>For the next few months, probably about 3 million people worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202287</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Don’t piss the court off.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;How many divisions does Scalia have?&quot;

(Without apology to Josef Stalin)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Don’t piss the court off.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>&#8220;How many divisions does Scalia have?&#8221;</p>
<p>(Without apology to Josef Stalin)</p>
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		<title>By: chrisb</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They will lose on that one as well most likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They will lose on that one as well most likely.</p>
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		<title>By: teqjack</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/06/26/dcs-response-to-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-202283</link>
		<dc:creator>teqjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&#039;Uhm, you were just told no to that one.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Not exactly, &quot;safe storage&quot; provisions were struck down as a &lt;b&gt;legal requirement&lt;/b&gt; but still OK as a suggestion. 
 
More troubling in the DC response is the claim that the banning of semi-auto is still OK law, not truck out. Can someone explain how a seven-shot Walther semi-auto is more dangerous to the owner than a six-shot S&amp;W revolver?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8216;Uhm, you were just told no to that one.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Not exactly, &#8220;safe storage&#8221; provisions were struck down as a <b>legal requirement</b> but still OK as a suggestion. </p>
<p>More troubling in the DC response is the claim that the banning of semi-auto is still OK law, not truck out. Can someone explain how a seven-shot Walther semi-auto is more dangerous to the owner than a six-shot S&amp;W revolver?</p>
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