I’m glad we’re getting that straight.

Then congrats, you’re a socialist. I’m a socialist. 99.9999999% of the world are socialists. By your definition, ALL forms of government are socialism.

Socialism seems to have a few more requirements than just ‘redistributing wealth’.

Well no, because socialism isn’t Boolean. The redistribution of weath — stealing hard earned money to give to others who didn’t lift a finger to earn it — is nothing more or less than socialism. You may split hairs and call it a socialist policy if you like, but it’s socialism.

I am glad to say I’ve never seen a negative comment about the Pink Pistols.

Then you missed the big controvesary where Bill O’Reilly and guest, Fox News commentator Rod Wheeler discussed 100s of roving violent lesbian gangs running around raping school children and associated that figment fo their imagination with the Pink Pistols. Wheeler, who became a Fox News commentator (and even an advisor to the Bush White House!!!), after losing his job as a police officer due to failing a random drug test, claims he wasn’t referring to the Pink Pistols but rather to lesbian gangs with pistols painted pink, but the linkage stuck. As an aside, Wheeler says that the reason there’s not a single law enforcement specialist or agency in the entire country (beside himself of course) who knows anything about these dangerous lesbian gangs is because they are all “out of touch.” Therefore we should all trust him (the way Bill O’ Reilly, Fox News, and the President of the United States do), because he is the only one who knows of these gangs and the crimes they commit.

I am a conservative and very far right in a lot of things. But I have libertarian leaning on personal rights and not wanting the nanny state telling me what I can or cannot do in order to save my children or me. Let us all take risks. A lot what gov’t does is usurp authority that is parental authority, i.e. bike helmet laws. Might be a good idea to wear one, but that is my authority not the state. The child is mine and not the states. If I choose to let my child take risks, that is my right.

What I have seen at DU pro gun site is more what I would call classical liberalism rather than the paternalistic fascist style that started in the early 1970’s. Not that the government was liberal, but prevailing social thought sure was and it showed all the signs of telling me what to do for my own good. I did not call myself a conservative but an individualist.

A lot that is considered conservative principle is a positive idea of self-reliance, individualism. Strong sense of private rights. Competency and the idea that really do not need the gov’t for much.

Under Bush compassionate conservatism is a blend of liberal social policy but using a more private market approach.

I think that if Nomen is more liberal, then it might be interested in engaging him in discourse. No use preaching to the choir.

I have seen in the last few years the tactics of ad hominid attacks and name-calling, which used to be only the left has been adopted by the right.
I have always been aware that authoritarian right leanings and leftist liberal nanny state get to the same point. A totalitarian police state when they go their logical extreme.

Frankly, advocating more ‘wealth redistribution’ or social programs does not make one a socialist. You may not like it, but simply calling it by a bogey-man name doesn’t elevate your position any. Now, when someone calls for state owning the means of good production, then you can trot out that label.

Count me in as a Gun toting, pro-RKBA red-green. (socialist/environmentalist)
Have enough Anarcho-syndicalist streaks in my worldview to respect some (though not all) Libertarian viewpoints.

I like to jerk the chains of anti-gun faux Lefties by reminding them that Lenin won the Revolution with Mosin-Nagant Rifles and Nagant revolvers, not love beads and dancing.

I second the nod for PGP and Gun Toting Liberal. Good folks.

I also like the static website (non-blog) “Liberals with Guns”.

I also read Say Uncle’s blog probably every day. Don’t always agree with the non-gun topics, but sometimes I do. With ya’ll on pro RBKA, though.

well dolphin, i dunno that you’ve said anything i’ve ever agreed with. So, there’s a start.

Probably true, though I think we have more common ground than you might expect (for instance, while I don’t own, or want, a gun; I don’t have any desire to take yours away). The thing is you’ve never told me to leave the country or threatened to try and stop me from voting.

Threatening to risk arrest to prevent him from voting? Seriously, that is just disturbing stuff.

actually, that one had me chuckling to myself. somebody trying that where i live would (1) end up arrested, and (2) not stop me from voting in the end anyway. i’m just cruel enough i’d find that funny if it were to happen.

(one thing i’ve learned since immigrating, it’s not wise to have a thin skin in this country. i can deal with some stupid offensiveness — better than being offended by somebody doing something smart, come to that. “make my enemies ridiculous”, and all that.)

Disagree with me? Awesome! Threaten me? Tell me to leave because I disagree with you and your views? That’s not cool.

If you don’t alienate people who came here to celebrate their freedom to arm and defend themselves, you might be able eventually to persuade them that individual liberty really is the superior position to socialism.

M

And it can drive him away from our cause: gun rights.

actually, all it was driving me to was considering getting my CCW sooner.

then i shook my head and realized that tiny minorities of extremists always sound braver over the anonymous internet than they would in real life. i’ll get my carry license once i can afford to practice enough i might hit shit, not before.

Thanks for reading.