But now that the AWB has sunset, I don’t see why Kel-Tec isn’t making a new and improved version.

The real holy grail from Grendel was the P-31, which was the P-30 made over into an Uzi-looking carbine.

Too bad the gun is now an orphan. 30 rounds of plinking goodness in one magazine.

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Hope they bring ‘em back, might get one for my kids if cheap enough.

That says it all.=lyle

I would amend that to “lack of leadership and conviction of that you hold the proper position.”

At which point I would say “amen”.

That says it all.

Now let me tell you a story. There was this huge, multi-million dollar Corporation back in the 1940s. They quickly built an uber successful musical instrument manufacturing business. At one point they thought it would be cool to invite a bunch of the top, famous players in and have them work together to design what was assumed would be the coolest brass instruments in the world. They called them the “Committee Models”

The Committee Models never really took off. “Too many cooks” and all.

Fast-forward a few decades. This repairman, Dave Monette, started building the ugliest boat anchor of a trumpet you could imagine. In his basement. No polishing, no lacquer, he barely bothered to wipe off the excess solder, and he wasn’t a great solderer so it was a mess. They weighed a ton, but these horns were very well made, and they incorporated some (at the time) very revolutionary ideas.

He marketed them with passion. He also charged about 10x what you’d pay for the then top-of-the-line trumpet– the beautiful, gleaming Bach “Stradivarius”. The pro players loved it, and it soon became the only trumpet to own if you could afford it.

Now, if you’d asked these same players ahead of time if this was a good idea, most of them would have snorted, “Hell no. You need to make a brass instrument thin and light, so it can vibrate. Plus this thing looks like a turd.” and other similar comments. Players, you see, aren’t physicists, craftsmen, or technicians.– they go with the common wisdom regarding design. Now you build something that’s going to actually work better, and you stick it in their hands, and they actually try it, it’s a totally different story. Bam!

All the great big, multi million dollar, trans-national manufacturers now incorporate various of Monette’s concepts into their high-end trumpets and trombones.

I can give you several other examples of the same phenomenon.

If I’d polled the market about my AK mount design beforehand, most of what I’d gotten would go along the lines of, “If Kalashnikov didn’t do it, then it doesn’t need to be done, yap yap yap.” or, “A 100-dollar scope mount? Hell, I can get one for forty. Don’t bother.” etc., etc..

I’ve since sold about a million dollars worth of them.

If you’re sure you have a great product, make it and market it. Build it and they will come.

Takes the same mags as the 10/22, not as crappy as a Tec-9, accurate enough for minute-of-can.

Nah, I possess a ruger 10/22 and possession of one of those without pinky-swearing that they’ll never be in the same room could lead to a 4 o’clock knock on the door.

What we really need is a domestically produced replacement for the walther TPH. Basically a Keltec P3AT/P32 but blowback operated and chambered in 22LR with a threaded barrel. That would be a market winner. I said as much in my email to MR, but fat chance they’ll listen.