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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/22/were-winning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-199205</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicago can&#039;t recognize that, because it would mean speaking plainly some unpleasant truths which are &quot;racist&quot; and would involve the besieged community recognizing and taking responsibility for it&#039;s problem rather than blaming others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicago can&#8217;t recognize that, because it would mean speaking plainly some unpleasant truths which are &#8220;racist&#8221; and would involve the besieged community recognizing and taking responsibility for it&#8217;s problem rather than blaming others.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/22/were-winning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-199202</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicago needs to recognize that it doesn&#039;t have a gun problem. It has a &lt;em&gt;gang members who happen to have guns&lt;/em&gt; problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicago needs to recognize that it doesn&#8217;t have a gun problem. It has a <em>gang members who happen to have guns</em> problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/22/were-winning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-199201</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you, but just judging by that one link, it appears he can be reasoned with at least—he may be wrong, but he doesn&#039;t appear to be a complete zealot. That alone puts him head and shoulders above the rest of the jackasses we normally have to smack down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you, but just judging by that one link, it appears he can be reasoned with at least—he may be wrong, but he doesn&#8217;t appear to be a complete zealot. That alone puts him head and shoulders above the rest of the jackasses we normally have to smack down.</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/22/were-winning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-199200</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commenter RayL there said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Most gun owners simply do not care about the inner city kids who are being killed, but small minorities should not always be allowed to highjack our politics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, he meant gun owners were a small minority. But isn&#039;t creating legislation to protect inner city kids from themselves a case of small minorities hijacking our politics?

Inner city kids are small, and they are minorities. Hardy har har! Holy shit I am hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commenter RayL there said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Most gun owners simply do not care about the inner city kids who are being killed, but small minorities should not always be allowed to highjack our politics.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, he meant gun owners were a small minority. But isn&#8217;t creating legislation to protect inner city kids from themselves a case of small minorities hijacking our politics?</p>
<p>Inner city kids are small, and they are minorities. Hardy har har! Holy shit I am hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/22/were-winning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-199198</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but he&#039;s still advocating the &#039;do it more and harder&#039; schtick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but he&#8217;s still advocating the &#8216;do it more and harder&#8217; schtick.</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/22/were-winning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-199197</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit, I don&#039;t really see why you&#039;re berating Zorn so much, he&#039;s all but admitted that we have facts and the gun banners don&#039;t, he&#039;s written one of the more honest pieces on EBR&#039;s I&#039;ve seen in the media (in 1994, no less), and in the comments he acknowledged the utility of handguns for self-defense in response to a commenter who just wanted to take them all away. 

I don&#039;t know anything about the guy, he&#039;s probably written some super dumb shit in the past that you&#039;re aware of and I&#039;m not, but it seems to me that if he&#039;s a gun control advocate, he&#039;s one of the more rational ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit, I don&#8217;t really see why you&#8217;re berating Zorn so much, he&#8217;s all but admitted that we have facts and the gun banners don&#8217;t, he&#8217;s written one of the more honest pieces on EBR&#8217;s I&#8217;ve seen in the media (in 1994, no less), and in the comments he acknowledged the utility of handguns for self-defense in response to a commenter who just wanted to take them all away. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about the guy, he&#8217;s probably written some super dumb shit in the past that you&#8217;re aware of and I&#8217;m not, but it seems to me that if he&#8217;s a gun control advocate, he&#8217;s one of the more rational ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compromises???  We&#039;ve already made far too many, Eric--it&#039;s time for the pendulum to swing quit a ways in the opposite direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compromises???  We&#8217;ve already made far too many, Eric&#8211;it&#8217;s time for the pendulum to swing quit a ways in the opposite direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/22/were-winning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-199165</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://lamarguerite.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/green-advocates-failing-in-climate-debate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Curious Parallel&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The first few days were slow going, but following a brief write-up of my site by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.junkscience.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Junk Science&lt;/a&gt; I was swamped by climate skeptics who did a good job of frightening off the few brave Greens who slogged out the debate with. Whilst there was a lot of rubbish written, the truth was that they didn’t so much frighten the Greens away - they comprehensively demolished them with a more in depth understanding of the science, cleverly thought out arguments, and some very smart answers. If you want to learn about the physics of convection currents, gas chromatography, or any number of climate science topics then read some of the early debates on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkclimatechange.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TalkClimateChange&lt;/a&gt;. I didn’t believe a word of it, but I had to admit that these guys were good.

In the following months the situation hardly changed. As the forum continued to grow, as the blog began to catch traffic, and as I continued to try and recruit green members I continued to be disappointed with the debate. In short, and I am sorry to say it, anti-greens (Reds, as we call them) appear to be more willing to comment, more structured, more able to quote peer reviewed research, more apparently rational and apparently wider read and better informed.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://lamarguerite.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/green-advocates-failing-in-climate-debate/" rel="nofollow">Curious Parallel</a>:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The first few days were slow going, but following a brief write-up of my site by <a href="http://www.junkscience.com/" rel="nofollow">Junk Science</a> I was swamped by climate skeptics who did a good job of frightening off the few brave Greens who slogged out the debate with. Whilst there was a lot of rubbish written, the truth was that they didn’t so much frighten the Greens away &#8211; they comprehensively demolished them with a more in depth understanding of the science, cleverly thought out arguments, and some very smart answers. If you want to learn about the physics of convection currents, gas chromatography, or any number of climate science topics then read some of the early debates on <a href="http://www.talkclimatechange.com" rel="nofollow">TalkClimateChange</a>. I didn’t believe a word of it, but I had to admit that these guys were good.</p>
<p>In the following months the situation hardly changed. As the forum continued to grow, as the blog began to catch traffic, and as I continued to try and recruit green members I continued to be disappointed with the debate. In short, and I am sorry to say it, anti-greens (Reds, as we call them) appear to be more willing to comment, more structured, more able to quote peer reviewed research, more apparently rational and apparently wider read and better informed.&#8221;</em></p>
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