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		<title>By: Dr. Strangegun</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/11/violent_death_study/comment-page-1/#comment-198726</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Strangegun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nearly half means less than half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly half means less than half.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim W</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/11/violent_death_study/comment-page-1/#comment-198724</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ie, told by congress? I distinctly remember congress withdrawing funding for gun control research from the CDC/NIH budget. I don&#039;t remember it going back in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ie, told by congress? I distinctly remember congress withdrawing funding for gun control research from the CDC/NIH budget. I don&#8217;t remember it going back in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim W</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/11/violent_death_study/comment-page-1/#comment-198723</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t the CDC told to cut this shit out like 10 years ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t the CDC told to cut this shit out like 10 years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/11/violent_death_study/comment-page-1/#comment-198719</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sucks that attempted suicide is a crime. Good thing I didn&#039;t get caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sucks that attempted suicide is a crime. Good thing I didn&#8217;t get caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Metulj</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/11/violent_death_study/comment-page-1/#comment-198672</link>
		<dc:creator>Metulj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas: Justice is not an outcome. As for calling a dead person &quot;killer,&quot; it&#039;s hard to care what people think about you, when you are dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas: Justice is not an outcome. As for calling a dead person &#8220;killer,&#8221; it&#8217;s hard to care what people think about you, when you are dead.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/11/violent_death_study/comment-page-1/#comment-198642</link>
		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the State of Tennessee seems to think it is violent enough to provide a justification for threatening or using force to prevent sucide.  Thankfully, they realize that using deadly force would be futile.

Also, note the report doesn&#039;t show how many of the &quot;30 percent were the result of homicide&quot; were justifiable, e.g., self-defense, versus criminal, e.g., murder, voluntary manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, vehicular homicide.


TN Code 39-11-613. Protection of life or health. —

A person is justified in threatening or using force, but not deadly force, against another, when and to the degree the person reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other from committing suicide or from the self-infliction of serious bodily injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the State of Tennessee seems to think it is violent enough to provide a justification for threatening or using force to prevent sucide.  Thankfully, they realize that using deadly force would be futile.</p>
<p>Also, note the report doesn&#8217;t show how many of the &#8220;30 percent were the result of homicide&#8221; were justifiable, e.g., self-defense, versus criminal, e.g., murder, voluntary manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, vehicular homicide.</p>
<p>TN Code 39-11-613. Protection of life or health. —</p>
<p>A person is justified in threatening or using force, but not deadly force, against another, when and to the degree the person reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other from committing suicide or from the self-infliction of serious bodily injury.</p>
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		<title>By: BobG</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/11/violent_death_study/comment-page-1/#comment-198640</link>
		<dc:creator>BobG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But I guess it’s easier to scare people if you use bigger numbers.&quot;

As in,  &quot;100% of the suicides were committed with a gun in 30% of the cases.&quot;  Statistics can be bent in any direction, depending on the wording.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I guess it’s easier to scare people if you use bigger numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>As in,  &#8220;100% of the suicides were committed with a gun in 30% of the cases.&#8221;  Statistics can be bent in any direction, depending on the wording.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metulj, I wonder what more justice you want for society, The expense of a trial followed by several years caring for the killer IF convicted. What juctice is served by having a trial so that society can maybe pronounce him guilty. I am not saying we should have a trial for the dead killer- he can not defend himself in court, but I don&#039;t need a guilty verdict to call him a killer either.    
    On the topic, What? No breakdown by baseball bat and evil assault weapons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metulj, I wonder what more justice you want for society, The expense of a trial followed by several years caring for the killer IF convicted. What juctice is served by having a trial so that society can maybe pronounce him guilty. I am not saying we should have a trial for the dead killer- he can not defend himself in court, but I don&#8217;t need a guilty verdict to call him a killer either.<br />
    On the topic, What? No breakdown by baseball bat and evil assault weapons?</p>
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		<title>By: wizardpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizardpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30% of 50%? Doesnt that mean 15%?

But I guess it&#039;s easier to scare people if you use bigger numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30% of 50%? Doesnt that mean 15%?</p>
<p>But I guess it&#8217;s easier to scare people if you use bigger numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Men were most commonly murdered because of an argument or during the commission of a crime.&quot;

/interest spikes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Men were most commonly murdered because of an argument or during the commission of a crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>/interest spikes</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Braisted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Braisted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, we need more Asians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, we need more Asians.</p>
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		<title>By: HardCorps</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/11/violent_death_study/comment-page-1/#comment-198607</link>
		<dc:creator>HardCorps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should change the definition of a crime to include a victim and a perpetrator. It takes two to tango...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should change the definition of a crime to include a victim and a perpetrator. It takes two to tango&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Metulj</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/04/11/violent_death_study/comment-page-1/#comment-198604</link>
		<dc:creator>Metulj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The family of a suicide victim have had a crime committed against them or so the reasoning goes.* It is a violent crime as violence is involved. I guess you can redefine &quot;violence&quot; but far be it for that to happen. For example, guy kills himself and leaves note to wife: &quot;I did this because of you.&quot; That&#039;s aggressive and abusive. Or: a guy shoots up a BurgerKing then turns the gun on himself. The people he killed or injured had an act of violence perpetrated against them, but so did the rest of society as his suicide prevents justice from happening.


*I would argue that it is also abusive to the responders to the scene inasmuch as not matter how &quot;tough&quot; cops and paramedics try to act, there is nothing quite like seeing someone who put a pistol in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Blood, especially the amount that comes from a wound to the head, smells awful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The family of a suicide victim have had a crime committed against them or so the reasoning goes.* It is a violent crime as violence is involved. I guess you can redefine &#8220;violence&#8221; but far be it for that to happen. For example, guy kills himself and leaves note to wife: &#8220;I did this because of you.&#8221; That&#8217;s aggressive and abusive. Or: a guy shoots up a BurgerKing then turns the gun on himself. The people he killed or injured had an act of violence perpetrated against them, but so did the rest of society as his suicide prevents justice from happening.</p>
<p>*I would argue that it is also abusive to the responders to the scene inasmuch as not matter how &#8220;tough&#8221; cops and paramedics try to act, there is nothing quite like seeing someone who put a pistol in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Blood, especially the amount that comes from a wound to the head, smells awful.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is suicide really a violent crime?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s usually illegal, and it&#039;s typically violent (or at least messy).

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a particularly useful number to toss around, simply because it doesn&#039;t follow the same pathways as other violent crimes, and the victim usually doesn&#039;t consider it quite as harmful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is suicide really a violent crime?</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s usually illegal, and it&#8217;s typically violent (or at least messy).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a particularly useful number to toss around, simply because it doesn&#8217;t follow the same pathways as other violent crimes, and the victim usually doesn&#8217;t consider it quite as harmful.</p>
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