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	<title>Comments on: More on the Airplane Discharge</title>
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		<title>By: JJR</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/03/27/more_on_the_airplane_discharge/comment-page-1/#comment-197820</link>
		<dc:creator>JJR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably meant &quot;or&quot; not &quot;and&quot;, which would make a lot more sense.
(re: gun store sign).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably meant &#8220;or&#8221; not &#8220;and&#8221;, which would make a lot more sense.<br />
(re: gun store sign).</p>
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		<title>By: Laughingdog</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/03/27/more_on_the_airplane_discharge/comment-page-1/#comment-197783</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughingdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I hope you don’t mean CCA. Those are two seperate rules… the open/empty clause at CCA is only for guns that are out of the holster or case.&quot;

No.  The sign at my range has nothing to do with concealed carry.  They have a sign that says &quot;All firearms must be holstered and unloaded with the action open&quot;.  Granted, the lord only knows what the owner may have intended for it to say, since the rest of his signs make it pretty clear that he has the writing skills of a second grader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hope you don’t mean CCA. Those are two seperate rules… the open/empty clause at CCA is only for guns that are out of the holster or case.&#8221;</p>
<p>No.  The sign at my range has nothing to do with concealed carry.  They have a sign that says &#8220;All firearms must be holstered and unloaded with the action open&#8221;.  Granted, the lord only knows what the owner may have intended for it to say, since the rest of his signs make it pretty clear that he has the writing skills of a second grader.</p>
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		<title>By: deadcenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>deadcenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when i first saw that pic of that holster, I was positive it was a bit of creative photoshop.  I should not have underestimated the stupidity of our government when it comes to flawed design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when i first saw that pic of that holster, I was positive it was a bit of creative photoshop.  I should not have underestimated the stupidity of our government when it comes to flawed design.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/03/27/more_on_the_airplane_discharge/comment-page-1/#comment-197756</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting that no where in the incident report does it describe the incident. And that&#039;s an awful lot of stuff blacked out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting that no where in the incident report does it describe the incident. And that&#8217;s an awful lot of stuff blacked out.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/03/27/more_on_the_airplane_discharge/comment-page-1/#comment-197755</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is a link to the incident report from the charlotte airport

http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2008/03/26/11/report0326.source.prod_affiliate.57.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is a link to the incident report from the charlotte airport</p>
<p><a href="http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2008/03/26/11/report0326.source.prod_affiliate.57.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2008/03/26/11/report0326.source.prod_affiliate.57.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: drstrangegun</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2008/03/27/more_on_the_airplane_discharge/comment-page-1/#comment-197744</link>
		<dc:creator>drstrangegun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The gun store/range where I teach has signs all over saying that all weapons need to be holstered (good rule) with the action open and empty (stupid rule). &quot;

I hope you don&#039;t mean CCA. Those are two seperate rules... the open/empty clause at CCA is only for guns that are out of the holster or case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The gun store/range where I teach has signs all over saying that all weapons need to be holstered (good rule) with the action open and empty (stupid rule). &#8221;</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mean CCA. Those are two seperate rules&#8230; the open/empty clause at CCA is only for guns that are out of the holster or case.</p>
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		<title>By: Laughingdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laughingdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only time the pilot should handle the gun is when it’s being drawn to fire.&quot;

I agree wholeheartedly with that.  Despite Marko&#039;s claim to know that the pilot believed &quot;the approach into Charlotte would be a dandy time to play with his FFDO issue handgun&quot;, no one really knows what happened.  Maybe the holster isn&#039;t as safe as some claim.  Maybe the pilot just didn&#039;t have the gun in the holster properly when he was putting the lock in place.  Hell, if I thought I could be charged with a felony for not having that lock on when I left the cockpit, I&#039;d probably do it early sometimes myself.

Any policy, anywhere, that requires you to handle your firearm unnecessarily is dangerous.  The gun store/range where I teach has signs all over saying that all weapons need to be holstered (good rule) with the action open and empty (stupid rule).  I&#039;m not going to risk a negligent discharge if they can&#039;t even be bothered to provide some form of clearing station.  I&#039;ve even pointed out to them that, should someone be hurt by a ND when someone is trying to abide by their policy, the business is probably liable because the action was a direct result of their policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only time the pilot should handle the gun is when it’s being drawn to fire.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly with that.  Despite Marko&#8217;s claim to know that the pilot believed &#8220;the approach into Charlotte would be a dandy time to play with his FFDO issue handgun&#8221;, no one really knows what happened.  Maybe the holster isn&#8217;t as safe as some claim.  Maybe the pilot just didn&#8217;t have the gun in the holster properly when he was putting the lock in place.  Hell, if I thought I could be charged with a felony for not having that lock on when I left the cockpit, I&#8217;d probably do it early sometimes myself.</p>
<p>Any policy, anywhere, that requires you to handle your firearm unnecessarily is dangerous.  The gun store/range where I teach has signs all over saying that all weapons need to be holstered (good rule) with the action open and empty (stupid rule).  I&#8217;m not going to risk a negligent discharge if they can&#8217;t even be bothered to provide some form of clearing station.  I&#8217;ve even pointed out to them that, should someone be hurt by a ND when someone is trying to abide by their policy, the business is probably liable because the action was a direct result of their policy.</p>
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		<title>By: drstrangegun</title>
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		<dc:creator>drstrangegun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrmm. 

decocker HKs have small, slippery hammers. I wonder if the pilot was unloading for storage, dropped the magazine to unload, forgot about the round in the chamber, decocked with the trigger and slipped?

That would seem to make sense but there would likely be an injury involved too, whacking the thumb hard with the slide...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrmm. </p>
<p>decocker HKs have small, slippery hammers. I wonder if the pilot was unloading for storage, dropped the magazine to unload, forgot about the round in the chamber, decocked with the trigger and slipped?</p>
<p>That would seem to make sense but there would likely be an injury involved too, whacking the thumb hard with the slide&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rustmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what you get when people who know nothing about guns try to make policy concerning gun safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what you get when people who know nothing about guns try to make policy concerning gun safety.</p>
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