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		<title>By: Speakertweaker</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190374</link>
		<dc:creator>Speakertweaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 04:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel a bit out of my league here, but I&#039;m gonna ante up anyhow.

According to the letter of the law, clearly outlined by SayUncle in the text of TX Title II 9.42, the dude with the Street Howitzer has a good case in court.  He was following the letter OF THAT PARTICULAR LAW.  He reasonably believed that he was preventing imminent commission of burglary.  His attorneys will likely argue (if they&#039;re smart) that he believed that any force other than deadly force would expose him to death or serious bodily injury.  So, IN THAT RESPECT, he&#039;s committed no crime.  I had a heyday trying to clear that up with some folks at work.

How-the-hell-ever.  Going out there to shoot up bad guys after you&#039;ve told a cop (who&#039;s recording the conversation for crying out loud) that you&#039;re gonna do it and after he specifically told you not to?  That pretty much ends your case right there.  That 911 tape is gonna get played over and over again during that trial, until the jury can recite it in three languages.

That dude&#039;s toast.

Oh, and to Mr. Orlov.  With all due respect, sir, with the impending SCOTUS trial at hand this would not be the time to take a &quot;Kill &#039;Em All And Let God Sort &#039;Em Out&quot; type of attitude.  Especially in written/typed word.  While many would likely agree with you, it is the activity of the man in question here that has the Gun Rights crowd in an outrage, too, as it will allow the Anti&#039;s yet another opportunity to paint us all up as trigger-happy vigilantes.

I&#039;m just sayin...



tweaker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel a bit out of my league here, but I&#8217;m gonna ante up anyhow.</p>
<p>According to the letter of the law, clearly outlined by SayUncle in the text of TX Title II 9.42, the dude with the Street Howitzer has a good case in court.  He was following the letter OF THAT PARTICULAR LAW.  He reasonably believed that he was preventing imminent commission of burglary.  His attorneys will likely argue (if they&#8217;re smart) that he believed that any force other than deadly force would expose him to death or serious bodily injury.  So, IN THAT RESPECT, he&#8217;s committed no crime.  I had a heyday trying to clear that up with some folks at work.</p>
<p>How-the-hell-ever.  Going out there to shoot up bad guys after you&#8217;ve told a cop (who&#8217;s recording the conversation for crying out loud) that you&#8217;re gonna do it and after he specifically told you not to?  That pretty much ends your case right there.  That 911 tape is gonna get played over and over again during that trial, until the jury can recite it in three languages.</p>
<p>That dude&#8217;s toast.</p>
<p>Oh, and to Mr. Orlov.  With all due respect, sir, with the impending SCOTUS trial at hand this would not be the time to take a &#8220;Kill &#8216;Em All And Let God Sort &#8216;Em Out&#8221; type of attitude.  Especially in written/typed word.  While many would likely agree with you, it is the activity of the man in question here that has the Gun Rights crowd in an outrage, too, as it will allow the Anti&#8217;s yet another opportunity to paint us all up as trigger-happy vigilantes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sayin&#8230;</p>
<p>tweaker</p>
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		<title>By: Yuri Orlov</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190372</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuri Orlov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sudden death is an occupational hazard of a life of crime. I&#039;m not going to get all choked up over two scumbags dying while in the commission of a crime. In my opinion, they got what they deserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sudden death is an occupational hazard of a life of crime. I&#8217;m not going to get all choked up over two scumbags dying while in the commission of a crime. In my opinion, they got what they deserved.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiftycal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiftycal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The burglary and self-defense shooting by the VICTIM happened about 10 in the morning.  Had nothing to do with &quot;night tyme shootings&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The burglary and self-defense shooting by the VICTIM happened about 10 in the morning.  Had nothing to do with &#8220;night tyme shootings&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: AgPilot60</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190359</link>
		<dc:creator>AgPilot60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my understanding that the neighbor had asked him to watch said property. Said neighbor&#039;s property then became an extension of the shooter&#039;s property. Also Texas night time laws changes the picture drastically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that the neighbor had asked him to watch said property. Said neighbor&#8217;s property then became an extension of the shooter&#8217;s property. Also Texas night time laws changes the picture drastically.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiftycal</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190352</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiftycal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting for a reason the shooter was an &quot;idiot&quot;.  Plainly he was within the law to use deadly force on the burglars that were &quot;fleeing&quot;.  Texas law on use of deadly force to protect property is over 100 years old.  The part the shooter may have been referring to is that civil lawsuits are now barred if the act is justifiable.  So, no, he won&#039;t get sued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting for a reason the shooter was an &#8220;idiot&#8221;.  Plainly he was within the law to use deadly force on the burglars that were &#8220;fleeing&#8221;.  Texas law on use of deadly force to protect property is over 100 years old.  The part the shooter may have been referring to is that civil lawsuits are now barred if the act is justifiable.  So, no, he won&#8217;t get sued.</p>
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		<title>By: CTD</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190342</link>
		<dc:creator>CTD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feh. Two less mutants on the loose. Legal or not, I can&#039;t get into much of a twist over this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feh. Two less mutants on the loose. Legal or not, I can&#8217;t get into much of a twist over this.</p>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Paul said, if the neighbor asked him to watch his property, then Texas law looks at it from an agency point of view, and the guy is probably going to skate on criminal charges.

Also, I hear the tape differently (and I&#039;ve heard it several dozen times, as my favorite radio program plays it over and over to much glee, legality be damned).  I hear him saying, &quot;Move &#039;n you&#039;re dead!&quot; and then shooting, which jives with his story that they came into his yard after him when he went out.  The timing on the third shot is problematic, though.

And quite frankly, I don&#039;t see many versions of this story that will hurt him much in front of a jury of his peers from Pasadena, TX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Paul said, if the neighbor asked him to watch his property, then Texas law looks at it from an agency point of view, and the guy is probably going to skate on criminal charges.</p>
<p>Also, I hear the tape differently (and I&#8217;ve heard it several dozen times, as my favorite radio program plays it over and over to much glee, legality be damned).  I hear him saying, &#8220;Move &#8216;n you&#8217;re dead!&#8221; and then shooting, which jives with his story that they came into his yard after him when he went out.  The timing on the third shot is problematic, though.</p>
<p>And quite frankly, I don&#8217;t see many versions of this story that will hurt him much in front of a jury of his peers from Pasadena, TX.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190315</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hey, Rustmeister: I am not anti-gun.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think he called you anti-gun.  There was a period and paragraph break there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hey, Rustmeister: I am not anti-gun.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he called you anti-gun.  There was a period and paragraph break there.</p>
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		<title>By: Metulj</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190312</link>
		<dc:creator>Metulj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Rustmeister: I am not anti-gun. I want to hand them out to everybody. Everyone gets one. No restrictions. That&#039;s the right afforded in the constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Rustmeister: I am not anti-gun. I want to hand them out to everybody. Everyone gets one. No restrictions. That&#8217;s the right afforded in the constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While in Texas you can protect others property (with their consent) unless it&#039;s at night it&#039;s mighty hard to stop criminal charges unless they are fleeing with property that cannot be retrieved any other way. 

BUT, and this is the big one, you are still open to civil charges even if there are no criminal charges.

I bet this one goes to trial in a criminal court first, and then a civil one for wrongfull death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While in Texas you can protect others property (with their consent) unless it&#8217;s at night it&#8217;s mighty hard to stop criminal charges unless they are fleeing with property that cannot be retrieved any other way. </p>
<p>BUT, and this is the big one, you are still open to civil charges even if there are no criminal charges.</p>
<p>I bet this one goes to trial in a criminal court first, and then a civil one for wrongfull death.</p>
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		<title>By: ParatrooperJJ</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190270</link>
		<dc:creator>ParatrooperJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While of questionable legality, it was the correct outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While of questionable legality, it was the correct outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: _Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190262</link>
		<dc:creator>_Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall reading a brief somewhere that a person who has been &quot;charged with watching or guarding another&#039;s property&quot; is more empowered to use lethal force than a passer-by.

This stems from security guards and rent-a-cops being able to use force to protect while on their job.

Obviously, in this case it would depend upon if the man and his neighbor had an agreement whereby they would watch each other&#039;s property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall reading a brief somewhere that a person who has been &#8220;charged with watching or guarding another&#8217;s property&#8221; is more empowered to use lethal force than a passer-by.</p>
<p>This stems from security guards and rent-a-cops being able to use force to protect while on their job.</p>
<p>Obviously, in this case it would depend upon if the man and his neighbor had an agreement whereby they would watch each other&#8217;s property.</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The better anology than Metulj uses is this:

Cell phone company says you can stick this plug thingy into to dashboard cig lighter and power your cell phone safely.

Parent takes this claim and twists it to say you can stick anything into the dashboard cig lighter safely.

When child hurts himself, blame the cell phone company because it&#039;s a natural consequence of the cell phone company&#039;s marketing not the parents false portrayal of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The better anology than Metulj uses is this:</p>
<p>Cell phone company says you can stick this plug thingy into to dashboard cig lighter and power your cell phone safely.</p>
<p>Parent takes this claim and twists it to say you can stick anything into the dashboard cig lighter safely.</p>
<p>When child hurts himself, blame the cell phone company because it&#8217;s a natural consequence of the cell phone company&#8217;s marketing not the parents false portrayal of it.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/11/21/non-castle_non-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-190254</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Metulj’s wrong, as usual. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, yeah. His lame example which in no way relates to the issue I address and his feigned intellectual detachment are amusing. He might be challenging if he were as intellectual as he thought was.

Solipsism and cargo cult, bitches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Metulj’s wrong, as usual. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yeah. His lame example which in no way relates to the issue I address and his feigned intellectual detachment are amusing. He might be challenging if he were as intellectual as he thought was.</p>
<p>Solipsism and cargo cult, bitches!</p>
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		<title>By: emdfl</title>
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		<dc:creator>emdfl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several versions of this incident appear to exist.  The one that interests me is that apparently Mr. Horn went outside his own home into his own yard where he confronted the thieves.  The thieves threatened him so he the shot them.  That said I would lean toward the &quot;stand at your doorway and don&#039;t go out to escalate the situation&quot; mode, myself.  
Howsomever, IF the bad guys came cuttting through my yard and appeared to be coming at me with a weapon, I suspect that I would defend myself vigurously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several versions of this incident appear to exist.  The one that interests me is that apparently Mr. Horn went outside his own home into his own yard where he confronted the thieves.  The thieves threatened him so he the shot them.  That said I would lean toward the &#8220;stand at your doorway and don&#8217;t go out to escalate the situation&#8221; mode, myself.<br />
Howsomever, IF the bad guys came cuttting through my yard and appeared to be coming at me with a weapon, I suspect that I would defend myself vigurously.</p>
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		<title>By: Rustmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metulj&#039;s wrong, as usual. Wrong as that murderer in Texas.

Now the anti-gunners are gonna use this to try and repeal Castle Doctrine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metulj&#8217;s wrong, as usual. Wrong as that murderer in Texas.</p>
<p>Now the anti-gunners are gonna use this to try and repeal Castle Doctrine.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Now, that’s the first load of crap. Blowing someone away over property is sketchy at best and criminal at worse.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;ve stepped in it now :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Now, that’s the first load of crap. Blowing someone away over property is sketchy at best and criminal at worse.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve stepped in it now <img src='http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I see burglars breaking into my neighbors&#039; house and don&#039;t know beyond an absolute moral certainty that my neighbors are not home and in danger, I would hope to have the guts to go after them.  And I hope my neighbors would do the same for me.  I know that&#039;s not the facts in this story.  Just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I see burglars breaking into my neighbors&#8217; house and don&#8217;t know beyond an absolute moral certainty that my neighbors are not home and in danger, I would hope to have the guts to go after them.  And I hope my neighbors would do the same for me.  I know that&#8217;s not the facts in this story.  Just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All of that referencing and researching and writing to get to the political hit&quot;

It&#039;s not a hit. It&#039;s the truth. Google up &#039;shoot first&#039; law.  Or just go &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shootfirstlaw.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;So, the one of the consequences of the castle doctrine could not have been a scenario like this idiot in Texas?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This idiot in Texas seems to have fallen for what the Brady Bunch said the law did rather than what it did.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If a journalist* pointed to this possible outcome, that journalist would be complicit? ... Personal Responsibility.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Try again. I said no such thing. I said misinformation from anti-gun groups that was then re-printed in the press likely affected this guy&#039;s stupid decision to go kill someone over property.

Doesn&#039;t take a genius to figured that out since he referenced the date the law went into effect.

&lt;blockquote&gt;conflates press with anti-gun&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ding, ding, ding, we have a winner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All of that referencing and researching and writing to get to the political hit&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a hit. It&#8217;s the truth. Google up &#8217;shoot first&#8217; law.  Or just go <a href="http://www.shootfirstlaw.org/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>So, the one of the consequences of the castle doctrine could not have been a scenario like this idiot in Texas?</p></blockquote>
<p>This idiot in Texas seems to have fallen for what the Brady Bunch said the law did rather than what it did.</p>
<blockquote><p>If a journalist* pointed to this possible outcome, that journalist would be complicit? &#8230; Personal Responsibility.</p></blockquote>
<p>Try again. I said no such thing. I said misinformation from anti-gun groups that was then re-printed in the press likely affected this guy&#8217;s stupid decision to go kill someone over property.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t take a genius to figured that out since he referenced the date the law went into effect.</p>
<blockquote><p>conflates press with anti-gun</p></blockquote>
<p>ding, ding, ding, we have a winner</p>
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		<title>By: Metulj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metulj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Probably because he heard that line repeated over and over by the anti-gunners in press coverage of the bill.&quot;

That&#039;s a fucking howler. All of that referencing and researching and writing to get to the political hit. So, the one of the consequences of the castle doctrine could not have been a scenario like this idiot in Texas? If a journalist* pointed to this possible outcome, that journalist would be complicit? Let&#039;s follow that logic, if your father says to you repeatedly, &quot;Hey, don&#039;t put your finger in the dashboard cigarette lighter&quot; and then you do it, your father is complicit in putting the germ of the idea in your head? Wow. This violates Conservertarian Maudlin Rule #1: Personal Responsibility.

*Your little bit of legerdemain also conflates press with anti-gun, which repeated enough would seed the minds of your readers as to such. No. Never. Never happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Probably because he heard that line repeated over and over by the anti-gunners in press coverage of the bill.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a fucking howler. All of that referencing and researching and writing to get to the political hit. So, the one of the consequences of the castle doctrine could not have been a scenario like this idiot in Texas? If a journalist* pointed to this possible outcome, that journalist would be complicit? Let&#8217;s follow that logic, if your father says to you repeatedly, &#8220;Hey, don&#8217;t put your finger in the dashboard cigarette lighter&#8221; and then you do it, your father is complicit in putting the germ of the idea in your head? Wow. This violates Conservertarian Maudlin Rule #1: Personal Responsibility.</p>
<p>*Your little bit of legerdemain also conflates press with anti-gun, which repeated enough would seed the minds of your readers as to such. No. Never. Never happened.</p>
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