Read this.

Most likely a good portion of them will be involved in the looting, just like New Orleans.

If I can remember any of the names of the neighborhood group or where I stumbled across the account I will try to post it. You are correct, though that the MSM didn’t report it. The lapdogs of big government were not about to show that armed resistance could be successful against the state. Especially without bloodshed.

Short answer: I’d comply within the letter of the law.

Another thing to keep in mind is the “power that be” aren’t generally stupid and have at least a general awareness of what public opinion is. They will do their best to keep things “below the boiling point”. And that awareness will extend to an awareness of whether the NG and others will follow certain orders.

Back to Ruby Ridge–another thing we knew on or about day three or four was that Sammy had been shot in the back and killed. In my mind, at that time, we had far more than enough information to know it was the time to “start shooting”. Yet, no one did.

I had my excuses of not having a gun or the training. I don’t know what excuses others used. Since then I have eliminated mine. Perhaps I’ll find more excuses when the next time comes, but at least those excuses are out of the way. I will have more options next time.

The Idaho NG most likely was’nt told by the feds what was acually going down. I’m sure that had the Idaho NG known what was really going on they would’nt have done shit to support the feds.

I dont believe that the the National Guard would help the feds if it came down to outright firearm confiscation. Certainly not if the feds used Waco and Ruby Ridge tactics against anyone who objected. As a example I was in L.A. with the California NG during the Rodney King riots in ‘92 and we had orders to shoot looters on sight. Our response was “fuck no! We’re in uniform to PROTECT American citizens, not shoot them.”

I’ll say with absolute certainty that the NG would’nt lift a finger to help the feds if they were attacking the NG’s fellow citizens. I’m sure that the regular Military would’nt do so either.

And I agree we are winning. This entire thread was based on the hypothesis that we lost big at the SC level. I don’t think that will happen. We might lose a little bit, but it won’t be a big loss.

As for nationwide outnumbering LE by 4 to 1… big deal. In any given location LE will outnumber the gunowners during the time of conflict. Plus you probably aren’t including the National Guard in your numbers. The National Guard and the State Police were called out during the Weaver event. There were hundreds of people there to make sure the Feds could “do their job undisturbed”.

I’m going to have to ask for references here.

Because, IMHO, had there been ANY resistance of the armed variety, the media would have been ALLLL over it – think “Angry gun nuts defying police orders!!!”-type PSH that would have been used to justify the confiscations.

Now, granted, it is entirely possible that local law enforcement steered the confiscators towards areas more likely to roll over, that I will not argue…

1) He had been given the wrong court date and been charged with failure to appear.
2) A Federal informant had asked him to saw off the shotgun to try and get him in a position to be blackmailed into becoming an informant on the Ayran Nations.
2) The Feds fired first by shooting the dog.

By day two we knew one or more snipers had shot at Randy and Kevin without giving an order to surrender or even announcing the snipers were even on the property.

By day three we knew Vicki had been shot while inside the cabin.

There were lots of things overheard in the bars and restaurants in Sandpoint where I lived. Sandpoint was the off duty location for food and rest of law enforcement. The attitude of law enforcement was the only way Weavers would be allowed to come off the mountain was in body bags. A U.S. Marshall had been killed and that simply could not be tolerated. An example needed to be set.

I really think the only way to effectively resist a federal gun ban is through state action, up to and including secession if necessary. If that comes to violence, so be it, but at least there would be someone running the show. But would we get enough people to care to motivate a state to actually leave the union? All it takes is one state to do it.

Those bastards went door-to-fucking door taking guns from law-abiding people. After the NO cops just walked off the job; after NO cops were FILMED LOOTING A WALMART; after the criminals had their way with anything not nailed down; after all this, it was decided that the best use of law enforcement resources would be to take guns away from the law-abiding residents.

And not a single fucking shot was fired.

If NO wasn’t the time to start shooting the bastards, there will never be. NO represented the absolute worst case scenario possible – natural disaster, devastation, criminals running unchecked, and people banding together using their personal firearms to defend themselves.

And the government decided it was time to round the guns up. They sure as hell didn’t take them away from the criminals; no, that would have been the right fucking thing to do.

They took them away from the good people. They went door-to-door and demanded that good, honest people hand over their guns. Body-checking old ladies. “No one will be armed”.

These frogs are boiled, Unc. Guys like you and me, who will only turn in their guns upon their expiration, will be “Waco’d” – false charges run up, alphabet agencies lying through their fucking teeth, etc.

And we’ll be enough of a statistical aberration that they’ll get away with it.

No, the second amendment is dead, because the American spirit that wrote it into the Bill of Rights has passed on as well…

Tyranny hates all freedoms, not just gun ownership. Incrementalism, as you put it, is working against every area of our freedoms.