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	<title>Comments on: If you can limit it to 600, why not 6?</title>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, everyone here is forgetting one small detail

The zombies.

This man is ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, everyone here is forgetting one small detail</p>
<p>The zombies.</p>
<p>This man is ready.</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at it statistically.  I one gun can cause death and destruction wielded by a single gunman, say perhaps an unbalanced killer on a spree kills four people before being stopped.

Now he has five hundred ninety-nine guns at home. So spread those four deaths over 600 guns and they are only .6666666 of 1% dead, which can be acounted for by fingernails, hair or dead but not yet sloughed off skin cells.

Isn&#039;t that a much better outcome than four totally dead people? 

I must pay attribution for the logic to Sarah Brady and their demonstrated use of statistics to say any damn thing you want them to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at it statistically.  I one gun can cause death and destruction wielded by a single gunman, say perhaps an unbalanced killer on a spree kills four people before being stopped.</p>
<p>Now he has five hundred ninety-nine guns at home. So spread those four deaths over 600 guns and they are only .6666666 of 1% dead, which can be acounted for by fingernails, hair or dead but not yet sloughed off skin cells.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that a much better outcome than four totally dead people? </p>
<p>I must pay attribution for the logic to Sarah Brady and their demonstrated use of statistics to say any damn thing you want them to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcibiades McZombie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcibiades McZombie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I suppose one could argue that a person can only use one gun at a time, so they are as dangerous with one gun as they are with six hundred.  And, really, if they were going to &quot;try something&quot;, six hundred is just a waste of their resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I suppose one could argue that a person can only use one gun at a time, so they are as dangerous with one gun as they are with six hundred.  And, really, if they were going to &#8220;try something&#8221;, six hundred is just a waste of their resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robb,

The purpose of a licensed collector is to make the state feel good.  Technically speaking, a &quot;licensed collector&quot; is a C&amp;R FFL holder.  My state, Maryland, has a state level &quot;collector&#039;s license&quot; that any gun owner can get that waives their &quot;one regulated gun a month&quot; restriction and loosens the &quot;peaceable journey&quot; requirements.  The downside to this license is the fact you have just told the state you are a bonafide gun owner.  

If registration/confiscation ever try to come to pass, don&#039;t you think the &quot;licensed collectors&quot; (whether state or C&amp;R) will the first folks they come after?  Low hanging fruit and all that.

In other words. other than C&amp;R, there isn&#039;t such a thing as a &quot;licensed collector&quot; except as a poltical/state regulatory construct.

This is why the BC, VPC can get away with this &quot;licensed collector&quot; crap.  They are really thinking in terms of the Maryland ideal and then just make the collector status &quot;may issue&quot;.  But also make being a &quot;licensed collector&quot; as a prerequisite to owning a gun or impose harsh storage requirements on one that could not be met in a practical sense by any but the wealthy (zoning, house vs. apt, strong safe, explosive vaults, the list can go on).

Yes, Robb, any gun not &quot;at the ready&quot; is technical in a collection.  What is the definition of a collection but guns people think you don&#039;t need.  And they get to define &quot;need&quot;.  

I can play devil&#039;s advocate too.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robb,</p>
<p>The purpose of a licensed collector is to make the state feel good.  Technically speaking, a &#8220;licensed collector&#8221; is a C&amp;R FFL holder.  My state, Maryland, has a state level &#8220;collector&#8217;s license&#8221; that any gun owner can get that waives their &#8220;one regulated gun a month&#8221; restriction and loosens the &#8220;peaceable journey&#8221; requirements.  The downside to this license is the fact you have just told the state you are a bonafide gun owner.  </p>
<p>If registration/confiscation ever try to come to pass, don&#8217;t you think the &#8220;licensed collectors&#8221; (whether state or C&amp;R) will the first folks they come after?  Low hanging fruit and all that.</p>
<p>In other words. other than C&amp;R, there isn&#8217;t such a thing as a &#8220;licensed collector&#8221; except as a poltical/state regulatory construct.</p>
<p>This is why the BC, VPC can get away with this &#8220;licensed collector&#8221; crap.  They are really thinking in terms of the Maryland ideal and then just make the collector status &#8220;may issue&#8221;.  But also make being a &#8220;licensed collector&#8221; as a prerequisite to owning a gun or impose harsh storage requirements on one that could not be met in a practical sense by any but the wealthy (zoning, house vs. apt, strong safe, explosive vaults, the list can go on).</p>
<p>Yes, Robb, any gun not &#8220;at the ready&#8221; is technical in a collection.  What is the definition of a collection but guns people think you don&#8217;t need.  And they get to define &#8220;need&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I can play devil&#8217;s advocate too.  <img src='http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cactus Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cactus Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they pose multiple potential scenarios under which harm could come to local residents.&quot;

And what scenarios are these? I notice that Thomas Mannard didnt say. Maybe because there are no &quot;multiple potential scenarios under which harm could come to local residents&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they pose multiple potential scenarios under which harm could come to local residents.&#8221;</p>
<p>And what scenarios are these? I notice that Thomas Mannard didnt say. Maybe because there are no &#8220;multiple potential scenarios under which harm could come to local residents&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Playing devil&#039;s advocate here)

What is the purpose of licensing a collector then? I&#039;ve only got 6 death dealers but at any given moment, only 2 of them are going to be unlocked and ready for use. So, isn&#039;t any firearm not ready for immediate use just part of a collection, no matter how small?

Damn, even playing DA, it sounds stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Playing devil&#8217;s advocate here)</p>
<p>What is the purpose of licensing a collector then? I&#8217;ve only got 6 death dealers but at any given moment, only 2 of them are going to be unlocked and ready for use. So, isn&#8217;t any firearm not ready for immediate use just part of a collection, no matter how small?</p>
<p>Damn, even playing DA, it sounds stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Call me Ahab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is an &#8220;arsenal&#8221;?</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/10/25/if_you_can_limit_it_to_600_why_not_6/comment-page-1/#comment-184808</link>
		<dc:creator>Call me Ahab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is an &#8220;arsenal&#8221;?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tommy Mannard thinks it&#8217;s 600 guns.  Uncle talks for a bit about it, and rightly points out that there is not really a fundamental difference between regulating 600 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; IL Gun Laws</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/10/25/if_you_can_limit_it_to_600_why_not_6/comment-page-1/#comment-184796</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; IL Gun Laws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Uncle sent me a sneak peek at this article yesterday, which prompted me to look up some Illinois gun laws, and let me tell you, I&#8217;m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Uncle sent me a sneak peek at this article yesterday, which prompted me to look up some Illinois gun laws, and let me tell you, I&#8217;m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Adam, they want to make it zero indirectly by making it so hard to get to &quot;one&quot; that you just give up.  And if you manage to get to &quot;one&quot;, they demonize you as an unbalanced paranoid who shouldn&#039;t have it because you are a potential danger now.

Since when do my neighbors have &lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt; say in what I do or keep on my property provided I am obeying the law?  Damn right they don&#039;t get any recourse, it&#039;s none of their business!

Burglar&#039;s dream perhaps but they have to get through the dog and the steel to get at them.  And my guns are insured.  I am not going to feel guilty if some criminal robs my house and takes my guns nor will I allow some peon to dictate to me that I was irresponsible in my storage of said arms.  They are locked up, always.  In fact, I got up in the middle of the night when I realized I had left a pistol on my desk with its cable lock fitted.  I meant to put it back in the safe and didn&#039;t.  So I got up and did it.

I&#039;ve got news for Mr. Mannard: I have an &quot;arsenal&quot; in the middle of a nice suburban neighborhood.  So what?  But they&#039;re guns!  And?!?  There is no &quot;public safety&quot; issue.  What there should be is people telling folks like this to mind their own damn business.  

Maybe we should lobby to inspect Mannard&#039;s home for all variety of object we might consider &quot;dangerous&quot; and &quot;a threat to public safety&quot;.  Rope, bleach, overly long knives or heaven forbid, a meat cleaver.  An &quot;assault knife&quot;, used only to chop meat!  It must be controlled, licensed and registered.

When our neighbors get to decide what property we can keep in our homes, close the lid and dump us in the hole.  We&#039;re done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Adam, they want to make it zero indirectly by making it so hard to get to &#8220;one&#8221; that you just give up.  And if you manage to get to &#8220;one&#8221;, they demonize you as an unbalanced paranoid who shouldn&#8217;t have it because you are a potential danger now.</p>
<p>Since when do my neighbors have <b>any</b> say in what I do or keep on my property provided I am obeying the law?  Damn right they don&#8217;t get any recourse, it&#8217;s none of their business!</p>
<p>Burglar&#8217;s dream perhaps but they have to get through the dog and the steel to get at them.  And my guns are insured.  I am not going to feel guilty if some criminal robs my house and takes my guns nor will I allow some peon to dictate to me that I was irresponsible in my storage of said arms.  They are locked up, always.  In fact, I got up in the middle of the night when I realized I had left a pistol on my desk with its cable lock fitted.  I meant to put it back in the safe and didn&#8217;t.  So I got up and did it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got news for Mr. Mannard: I have an &#8220;arsenal&#8221; in the middle of a nice suburban neighborhood.  So what?  But they&#8217;re guns!  And?!?  There is no &#8220;public safety&#8221; issue.  What there should be is people telling folks like this to mind their own damn business.  </p>
<p>Maybe we should lobby to inspect Mannard&#8217;s home for all variety of object we might consider &#8220;dangerous&#8221; and &#8220;a threat to public safety&#8221;.  Rope, bleach, overly long knives or heaven forbid, a meat cleaver.  An &#8220;assault knife&#8221;, used only to chop meat!  It must be controlled, licensed and registered.</p>
<p>When our neighbors get to decide what property we can keep in our homes, close the lid and dump us in the hole.  We&#8217;re done.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or worse -- why not 1?

 I mean, is there some magical number that is greater than one, but less than 600?  What would he consider a reasonable collection?  Do handguns count for the same weight as shotguns, or rifles?  What about air guns?  

The orange NES Zapper count the same as the grey one?

I&#039;d like just once for these &quot;that&#039;s too many guns&quot; folks to say what an acceptable number of guns &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; in their view... I have a feeling that the number is &quot;zero&quot; but they know that&#039;s a political loser so they speak about &lt;em&gt;reasonable&lt;/em&gt;... reasonable gun control, reasonable limits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or worse &#8212; why not 1?</p>
<p> I mean, is there some magical number that is greater than one, but less than 600?  What would he consider a reasonable collection?  Do handguns count for the same weight as shotguns, or rifles?  What about air guns?  </p>
<p>The orange NES Zapper count the same as the grey one?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like just once for these &#8220;that&#8217;s too many guns&#8221; folks to say what an acceptable number of guns <em>is</em> in their view&#8230; I have a feeling that the number is &#8220;zero&#8221; but they know that&#8217;s a political loser so they speak about <em>reasonable</em>&#8230; reasonable gun control, reasonable limits&#8230;</p>
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