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	<title>Comments on: Harold Ford to speak at NRA Conference</title>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; The Series Continues</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; The Series Continues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See what I mean about liberals and guns? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/09/20/harold_ford_to_speak_at_nra_conference/comment-page-1/#comment-181904</link>
		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb, if there&#039;s a choice between someone who has voted constantly and consistently for the 2nd Amendment, for a period of ten or twenty years, I have little reason to believe that they&#039;ll change their mind.  If they&#039;ve been progun through Columbine, 9/11, VA Tech, normal political flow, CCW laws, and countless citizen self-defense stories, they know their stance.

  On the other hand, someone without that track record, we can&#039;t tell.  Maybe they&#039;re just pandering politically; they might stay pro-gun as long as the political waves stay that way, or they might flip once they&#039;re elected.  Or maybe they do honestly think progun after a real revelation like being mugged... but only want guns for themselves after they&#039;re elected.

There are exceptions.  I might take a newly progun Senator or Mayor who makes the right arguments -- talking about protected rights rather than granted ones, about self-defense and all lawful uses rather than just about hunting -- than one who doesn&#039;t get it.

People change their opinion.  I myself was fairly antigun (yay, public school brainwashing!) for a long while.  But I did not try to get into a position where I could dictate the rights of others mere days after stumbling onto guncite.org.  Those who try to do so are going to have to deal with a certain degree of skepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb, if there&#8217;s a choice between someone who has voted constantly and consistently for the 2nd Amendment, for a period of ten or twenty years, I have little reason to believe that they&#8217;ll change their mind.  If they&#8217;ve been progun through Columbine, 9/11, VA Tech, normal political flow, CCW laws, and countless citizen self-defense stories, they know their stance.</p>
<p>  On the other hand, someone without that track record, we can&#8217;t tell.  Maybe they&#8217;re just pandering politically; they might stay pro-gun as long as the political waves stay that way, or they might flip once they&#8217;re elected.  Or maybe they do honestly think progun after a real revelation like being mugged&#8230; but only want guns for themselves after they&#8217;re elected.</p>
<p>There are exceptions.  I might take a newly progun Senator or Mayor who makes the right arguments &#8212; talking about protected rights rather than granted ones, about self-defense and all lawful uses rather than just about hunting &#8212; than one who doesn&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>People change their opinion.  I myself was fairly antigun (yay, public school brainwashing!) for a long while.  But I did not try to get into a position where I could dictate the rights of others mere days after stumbling onto guncite.org.  Those who try to do so are going to have to deal with a certain degree of skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb, i think it&#039;s a matter of are they really changing their minds or is it just politically expedient to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb, i think it&#8217;s a matter of are they really changing their minds or is it just politically expedient to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Zendo Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zendo Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you turn up your nose at people &quot;with a history&quot; of voting against the 2nd Amendment, are you saying that it is impossible to have people change their minds and opinions?  I think you might want to read Sandra Froman&#039;s statement on how she got into guns.  She wasn&#039;t always a 2A advocate.

Granted, people have to show their positions by their actions, but people do change their position on various political positions after they are 20.  OR even after they are 30.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you turn up your nose at people &#8220;with a history&#8221; of voting against the 2nd Amendment, are you saying that it is impossible to have people change their minds and opinions?  I think you might want to read Sandra Froman&#8217;s statement on how she got into guns.  She wasn&#8217;t always a 2A advocate.</p>
<p>Granted, people have to show their positions by their actions, but people do change their position on various political positions after they are 20.  OR even after they are 30.</p>
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		<title>By: Zendo Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zendo Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons I am no longer a member of the NRA - aside from just forgetting to send in the funds - is that there was a period when the NRA-ILA news site included more articles on non-gun-related things than on the second amendment (or so it seemed to me.)

I didn&#039;t join the NRA because it is anti-abortion. I didn&#039;t join the NRA over immigration issues or to get Christian prayers reintroduced into public schools. If it is going to branch out to include other issues under its umbrella then I am not interested in being a part of it.

There is a (stupid) tendency in America today that says I can ask one question (one of several questions) - your stance on gun control, your stance on prayer in schools, your stance on abortion,  etc. - and the answer you give to that one question, is supposed to crystallize your entire political opinion on a bunch of unrelated topics.  This is naive at best, and self-defeating for second amendment advocates.

I don&#039;t care what your stance on abortion rights is.  I don&#039;t care what religion you are or if you want YOUR prayers in public school. (Actually I do care, but not in the field of my second amendment blogging and advocacy.)

And I think we really do want all of the liberals who are dealing with self-defense issues to support our second amendment rights even if we disagree on some things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons I am no longer a member of the NRA &#8211; aside from just forgetting to send in the funds &#8211; is that there was a period when the NRA-ILA news site included more articles on non-gun-related things than on the second amendment (or so it seemed to me.)</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t join the NRA because it is anti-abortion. I didn&#8217;t join the NRA over immigration issues or to get Christian prayers reintroduced into public schools. If it is going to branch out to include other issues under its umbrella then I am not interested in being a part of it.</p>
<p>There is a (stupid) tendency in America today that says I can ask one question (one of several questions) &#8211; your stance on gun control, your stance on prayer in schools, your stance on abortion,  etc. &#8211; and the answer you give to that one question, is supposed to crystallize your entire political opinion on a bunch of unrelated topics.  This is naive at best, and self-defeating for second amendment advocates.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care what your stance on abortion rights is.  I don&#8217;t care what religion you are or if you want YOUR prayers in public school. (Actually I do care, but not in the field of my second amendment blogging and advocacy.)</p>
<p>And I think we really do want all of the liberals who are dealing with self-defense issues to support our second amendment rights even if we disagree on some things.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold, Jr. may well be the only person in his family who can pass the NICS background check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold, Jr. may well be the only person in his family who can pass the NICS background check.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tended to think it was more the demographics of his voting block -- they seemed to support Iraq enough to get him in trouble.  Either way, he still voted nearly lockstep with the Democrats outside of that.

  Republicans, well... most of our RINOs can score pretty high on the ADA&#039;s list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tended to think it was more the demographics of his voting block &#8212; they seemed to support Iraq enough to get him in trouble.  Either way, he still voted nearly lockstep with the Democrats outside of that.</p>
<p>  Republicans, well&#8230; most of our RINOs can score pretty high on the ADA&#8217;s list.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian-PGP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian-PGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liebermann&#039;s unpopularity with the Democratic Party is mostly his sniveling efforts to kiss up to the Administration on the war...he was pretty obviously angling for the SecDef job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liebermann&#8217;s unpopularity with the Democratic Party is mostly his sniveling efforts to kiss up to the Administration on the war&#8230;he was pretty obviously angling for the SecDef job.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zell Miller?  Most RINOs?

The modern Democratic party doesn&#039;t allow much in the way of moderation (see Leiberman&#039;s 80+% ADA rating and related booting out), but you don&#039;t have to be a Democratic senator to end up on the liberalish side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zell Miller?  Most RINOs?</p>
<p>The modern Democratic party doesn&#8217;t allow much in the way of moderation (see Leiberman&#8217;s 80+% ADA rating and related booting out), but you don&#8217;t have to be a Democratic senator to end up on the liberalish side.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomen Nescio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomen Nescio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe not by definition, #9, but i&#039;ve certainly never yet seen a counterexample.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe not by definition, #9, but i&#8217;ve certainly never yet seen a counterexample.</p>
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		<title>By: # 9</title>
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		<dc:creator># 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Not at all. There are quite a few pro gun liberals out there.

Honestly, I think the NRA and we gun bloggers could do a better job of reaching out to them.&lt;/i&gt;

Amen. Not all liberals are extremists. Of course by definition all conservatives are extremists, by definition you know. Right metulj?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Not at all. There are quite a few pro gun liberals out there.</p>
<p>Honestly, I think the NRA and we gun bloggers could do a better job of reaching out to them.</i></p>
<p>Amen. Not all liberals are extremists. Of course by definition all conservatives are extremists, by definition you know. Right metulj?</p>
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		<title>By: Volunteer Voters &#187; Junior At The NRA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Volunteer Voters &#187; Junior At The NRA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Uncle Say reminds us that not all conservatives are &#8220;pro-gun&#8221; either.   Share and Enjoy: These [...]</description>
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