Comments on: More Reasoned Discoursetm http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:55:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: SayUncle » Why Reasoned Discoursetm matters http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180433 SayUncle » Why Reasoned Discoursetm matters Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:29:40 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180433 [...] have Tom King of Gun Talk a bit of a hard time for banning commenters and deleting comments here noting that we should: let them say those things. And link to them to show what vile disgusting [...] [...] have Tom King of Gun Talk a bit of a hard time for banning commenters and deleting comments here noting that we should: let them say those things. And link to them to show what vile disgusting [...]

]]> By: Standard Mischief http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180325 Standard Mischief Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:54:13 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180325 I'd have to say that the tubes of 'net is one of the top three best things to come along in the fight for the RKBA (along with carry permits and Evil-Black-Rifle cosmetic bans). Although there's widespread <strong>Fear</strong> <strong>Uncertainty</strong> and <strong>Doubt</strong> among the gun-ignorant that is probably a result of years of anti-RKBA propaganda from the Mainstream Media's near total monopoly on the news and "facts" presented to the public, the rise of blogs and citizen fact-checkers have changed the dynamics considerably (we bloggers <em>never</em> get tired of the "media blunders the truth, yet again" type of blog grist.) The very concept that the anti-RKBA people even think that they can present their screed in a blog format and them thinking that their viewpoints will prevail under fair and open debate just shows you that they just don't get it. So when yet another anti-freedom gun bigot rolls out the Reasoned Discoursetm it's time to celebrate. And while there may be a lot of people out in the world who are vaguely anti-RKBA, it's clearly because they haven't heard both sides of the issue. The actual amount of people who swallow the whole aggregated brady bunch lies (and support and fund those lies) are clearly few and far between. I’d have to say that the tubes of ‘net is one of the top three best things to come along in the fight for the RKBA (along with carry permits and Evil-Black-Rifle cosmetic bans). Although there’s widespread Fear Uncertainty and Doubt among the gun-ignorant that is probably a result of years of anti-RKBA propaganda from the Mainstream Media’s near total monopoly on the news and “facts” presented to the public, the rise of blogs and citizen fact-checkers have changed the dynamics considerably (we bloggers never get tired of the “media blunders the truth, yet again” type of blog grist.)

The very concept that the anti-RKBA people even think that they can present their screed in a blog format and them thinking that their viewpoints will prevail under fair and open debate just shows you that they just don’t get it.

So when yet another anti-freedom gun bigot rolls out the Reasoned Discoursetm it’s time to celebrate. And while there may be a lot of people out in the world who are vaguely anti-RKBA, it’s clearly because they haven’t heard both sides of the issue. The actual amount of people who swallow the whole aggregated brady bunch lies (and support and fund those lies) are clearly few and far between.

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180311 SayUncle Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:08:49 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180311 Tom, I see your point but I think allowing them to make their case while we shoot it down is better for us. BTW, welcome to blogging! Tom, I see your point but I think allowing them to make their case while we shoot it down is better for us. BTW, welcome to blogging!

]]> By: Tom King http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180303 Tom King Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:56:42 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180303 Say Uncle, I don't disagree with giving any one their say but I am tired of rereading the same debates over and over. That's right for the past 10 years I've listened to the anti's and pro's saying the same thing over and over and not one anti has changed his mind. All we do is give them a forum to air their views. I'm attempting to make my blog different and will stick with the format for the immediate future. Tom King Say Uncle,

I don’t disagree with giving any one their say but I am tired of rereading the same debates over and over. That’s right for the past 10 years I’ve listened to the anti’s and pro’s saying the same thing over and over and not one anti has changed his mind. All we do is give them a forum to air their views. I’m attempting to make my blog different and will stick with the format for the immediate future.

Tom King

]]> By: Jacob http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180055 Jacob Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:28:29 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180055 JadeGold is nothing. Mike Bloomberg called Tom an "asshole gunowner" to his face. JadeGold is nothing. Mike Bloomberg called Tom an “asshole gunowner” to his face.

]]> By: thirdpower http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180050 thirdpower Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:11:28 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180050 Well, he definately got a baptism by fire. Hopefully this won't discourage him from future blogging. JadeGold's one of the worst one's out there. Most are more like warvet and kelli. I'ld love to hear some of the complaints against Robyn besides what we normally gripe about. Well, he definately got a baptism by fire. Hopefully this won’t discourage him from future blogging. JadeGold’s one of the worst one’s out there. Most are more like warvet and kelli.

I’ld love to hear some of the complaints against Robyn besides what we normally gripe about.

]]> By: Jacob http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180036 Jacob Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:33:59 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180036 Tom's new to blogging so give him some time. Almost all of the electronic communications, e-mail alerts, etc. I do, not him. The Times Union asked him to start a blog because people were complaining about moonbat Robyn Ringer. I tried to get him to join me on my site previously, but he declined as he already spends a lot of time doing other stuff for the <a href="http://www.nysrpa.org" rel="nofollow">R&P</a>. What you see now is pretty much what you get from Tom in person. He's started posting with some fluff and I'm waiting for the "controversial" material he's promised will be coming in the future. Tom’s new to blogging so give him some time. Almost all of the electronic communications, e-mail alerts, etc. I do, not him. The Times Union asked him to start a blog because people were complaining about moonbat Robyn Ringer. I tried to get him to join me on my site previously, but he declined as he already spends a lot of time doing other stuff for the R&P. What you see now is pretty much what you get from Tom in person. He’s started posting with some fluff and I’m waiting for the “controversial” material he’s promised will be coming in the future.

]]> By: Chas http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180015 Chas Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:32:35 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180015 Robbin' Ringler wants to steal our freedom. I don't intend to visit the attention whore's site. The worst thing for a blogger is if no one visits - irrelevance is dismal. Robbin’ Ringler wants to steal our freedom. I don’t intend to visit the attention whore’s site. The worst thing for a blogger is if no one visits – irrelevance is dismal.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180012 Sebastian Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:48:15 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180012 I think this is a case where we're just going to have to disagree, and move on. It's Tom's blog, it can be whatever he wants it to be. Tom seems to be a good guy, and I don't want to make too big an issue out of this. I think this is a case where we’re just going to have to disagree, and move on. It’s Tom’s blog, it can be whatever he wants it to be. Tom seems to be a good guy, and I don’t want to make too big an issue out of this.

]]> By: Linoge http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180011 Linoge Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:45:08 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180011 You would think they would, but there are some seriously tweaked people out there who simply live to cause dissent and muck up the works, even if they do not get a response out of it. I still think Mr. King handled it appropriately... if Jade wants to present his information, we will have no problems debunking it. However, once he starts dragging personal stuff into it, and offensive material... well, that is the editor's call, and he made it. I probably would have let it ride a little while longer, but the outcome likely would have been the same. You would think they would, but there are some seriously tweaked people out there who simply live to cause dissent and muck up the works, even if they do not get a response out of it. I still think Mr. King handled it appropriately… if Jade wants to present his information, we will have no problems debunking it. However, once he starts dragging personal stuff into it, and offensive material… well, that is the editor’s call, and he made it. I probably would have let it ride a little while longer, but the outcome likely would have been the same.

]]> By: Snowflakes in Hell » Blog Archive » Gun Blogging Ediquite http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180008 Snowflakes in Hell » Blog Archive » Gun Blogging Ediquite Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:44:31 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180008 [...] not interesting in Reasoned DiscourseTM. If that’s the case, why am I, and one of the top gun blogs, criticizing Tom for it [...] [...] not interesting in Reasoned DiscourseTM. If that’s the case, why am I, and one of the top gun blogs, criticizing Tom for it [...]

]]> By: Affe http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180007 Affe Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:44:22 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180007 If your enemy is busy inflicting damage on themselves, stopping it would be counterproductive. Let 'em rant. If your enemy is busy inflicting damage on themselves, stopping it would be counterproductive. Let ‘em rant.

]]> By: Rustmeister http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180003 Rustmeister Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:37:43 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180003 <blockquote>let them say those things. And link to them to show what vile disgusting people they are. Let their vile flummery stand to show what their side is like. </blockquote> Exactly! My opposition to hate speech laws are along these lines as well.

let them say those things. And link to them to show what vile disgusting people they are. Let their vile flummery stand to show what their side is like.

Exactly! My opposition to hate speech laws are along these lines as well.

]]> By: thirdpower http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-180002 thirdpower Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:32:55 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-180002 Tom responded: http://blogs.timesunion.com/guntalk/?p=16 Tom responded:

http://blogs.timesunion.com/guntalk/?p=16

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-179996 Sebastian Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:58:37 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-179996 Now that I'm not tired and cranky, I'm hoping I wasn't too hard on Tom calling him out in public for that. But I really don't want to weaken our whole Reasoned DiscourseTM thing. Now that I’m not tired and cranky, I’m hoping I wasn’t too hard on Tom calling him out in public for that. But I really don’t want to weaken our whole Reasoned DiscourseTM thing.

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-179992 SayUncle Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:35:52 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-179992 Just ignore them. If you don't play along, they have no fun. Just ignore them. If you don’t play along, they have no fun.

]]> By: Linoge http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/comment-page-1/#comment-179991 Linoge Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:34:45 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/08/31/more_reasoned_discoursetm-3/#comment-179991 In that particular case, I do not think I have anything against it. I mean, yeah, if the other side presents arguments, and sources, and gives us something to actually engage and shoot down, then that is one thing. However, unnecessarily attacking people's families, having every post be laden with laughable ad hominem attacks, and making veiled threats this way and that way... Yeah, it illustrates just how deranged hoplophobes are, but I can also see how weblog editors would not want that kind of presence in their comments. In that particular case, I do not think I have anything against it. I mean, yeah, if the other side presents arguments, and sources, and gives us something to actually engage and shoot down, then that is one thing. However, unnecessarily attacking people’s families, having every post be laden with laughable ad hominem attacks, and making veiled threats this way and that way… Yeah, it illustrates just how deranged hoplophobes are, but I can also see how weblog editors would not want that kind of presence in their comments.

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