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	<title>Comments on: OK, whose job was it to watch the republic while I was away?</title>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sec. 213 of USA PATRIOT (the delayed notification for warrant execution) is a good idea, &quot;terrorism&quot; or not.

The provisions of PATRIOT related solely to terror are so-circumscribed in the text of the act; other parts (like Sec. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;204&lt;/a&gt;) are general and &lt;i&gt;perfectly reasonable&lt;/i&gt; cleanup; for instance Sec. 204 replaces &quot;wire and oral&quot; with &quot;wire, oral, and electronic&quot; in 18 USC 2511, dealing with surveillance.

So, no, can&#039;t really say I care. 

(Now, there&#039;s a reason Reynolds etc. called PATRIOT a granting of long-standing law-enforcement &quot;wish-list&quot; stuff, but it&#039;s not unreasonable stuff. Take Sec. 204, there; it just extends existing &lt;i&gt;perfectly reasonable&lt;/i&gt; surveillance power over &lt;i&gt;foreign communications&lt;/i&gt; to include electronic as well as &quot;wire&quot; communications. The only reason it wasn&#039;t there before, I imagine, is that email didn&#039;t even really &lt;i&gt;exist&lt;/i&gt; at the time the law was written.)

Then again, I&#039;ve found very, very few complaints about PATRIOT actually justified by the reading of the text, over the years. Most people (of the leftist or loony-right variety) having PSH over it haven&#039;t even looked at it, and are just going by what Someone Said about it.

(Like that &lt;i&gt;insipid&lt;/i&gt; stupidity about &quot;library records&quot;, which aren&#039;t even &lt;i&gt;mentioned&lt;/i&gt; in PATRIOT, and are only possibly related by interpretation of &quot;business records&quot;, and which &lt;i&gt;weren&#039;t actually private before anyway&lt;/i&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sec. 213 of USA PATRIOT (the delayed notification for warrant execution) is a good idea, &#8220;terrorism&#8221; or not.</p>
<p>The provisions of PATRIOT related solely to terror are so-circumscribed in the text of the act; other parts (like Sec. <a href="http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html" rel="nofollow">204</a>) are general and <i>perfectly reasonable</i> cleanup; for instance Sec. 204 replaces &#8220;wire and oral&#8221; with &#8220;wire, oral, and electronic&#8221; in 18 USC 2511, dealing with surveillance.</p>
<p>So, no, can&#8217;t really say I care. </p>
<p>(Now, there&#8217;s a reason Reynolds etc. called PATRIOT a granting of long-standing law-enforcement &#8220;wish-list&#8221; stuff, but it&#8217;s not unreasonable stuff. Take Sec. 204, there; it just extends existing <i>perfectly reasonable</i> surveillance power over <i>foreign communications</i> to include electronic as well as &#8220;wire&#8221; communications. The only reason it wasn&#8217;t there before, I imagine, is that email didn&#8217;t even really <i>exist</i> at the time the law was written.)</p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;ve found very, very few complaints about PATRIOT actually justified by the reading of the text, over the years. Most people (of the leftist or loony-right variety) having PSH over it haven&#8217;t even looked at it, and are just going by what Someone Said about it.</p>
<p>(Like that <i>insipid</i> stupidity about &#8220;library records&#8221;, which aren&#8217;t even <i>mentioned</i> in PATRIOT, and are only possibly related by interpretation of &#8220;business records&#8221;, and which <i>weren&#8217;t actually private before anyway</i>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-ain Gonnano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yu-ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>probable not probably

PIMF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probable not probably</p>
<p>PIMF</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-ain Gonnano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yu-ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as someone at Tam&#039;s pointed out.

This kind of thing was being done &lt;em&gt;prior &lt;/em&gt;to the Patriot Act.

Additionally, there was probably cause, a warrant, and it was subject to judicial review.

So I&#039;m thinking this likely would have happened with or without the PA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as someone at Tam&#8217;s pointed out.</p>
<p>This kind of thing was being done <em>prior </em>to the Patriot Act.</p>
<p>Additionally, there was probably cause, a warrant, and it was subject to judicial review.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m thinking this likely would have happened with or without the PA.</p>
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