Comments on: Wow, he can do that? http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/05/01/wow_he_can_do_that/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:05:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ravenwood http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/05/01/wow_he_can_do_that/comment-page-1/#comment-170437 Ravenwood Wed, 02 May 2007 17:24:47 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/05/01/wow_he_can_do_that/#comment-170437 Xrlq, The federal standards are being "adjudicated mentally defective" and "involuntarily committed to a mental institution". The two are not one in the same, and both being involuntarily committed to a mental institution and being remanded to outpatient treatment do not require you being adjudicated a mentally defective. So what Kaine is proposing is to treat people who were remanded to outpatient treatment the same as if they had been involuntarily committed to a mental institution. Regardless, people with mental problems are not incurable and should not lose their firearms rights forever. Xrlq,

The federal standards are being “adjudicated mentally defective” and “involuntarily committed to a mental institution”. The two are not one in the same, and both being involuntarily committed to a mental institution and being remanded to outpatient treatment do not require you being adjudicated a mentally defective.

So what Kaine is proposing is to treat people who were remanded to outpatient treatment the same as if they had been involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

Regardless, people with mental problems are not incurable and should not lose their firearms rights forever.

]]> By: Xrlq http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/05/01/wow_he_can_do_that/comment-page-1/#comment-170328 Xrlq Tue, 01 May 2007 14:05:57 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/05/01/wow_he_can_do_that/#comment-170328 Ravenwood, aren't mentally defective types like Cho prohobited persons under federal law already? If so, finally telling the feds today about people who weren't supposed to buy guns yesterday is hardly an example of retroactively taking away anyone's rights. Unless, of course, you construe someone's mere *ability* to break the law as some odd kind of "right." Ravenwood, aren’t mentally defective types like Cho prohobited persons under federal law already? If so, finally telling the feds today about people who weren’t supposed to buy guns yesterday is hardly an example of retroactively taking away anyone’s rights. Unless, of course, you construe someone’s mere *ability* to break the law as some odd kind of “right.”

]]> By: Ravenwood http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/05/01/wow_he_can_do_that/comment-page-1/#comment-170323 Ravenwood Tue, 01 May 2007 13:05:21 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/05/01/wow_he_can_do_that/#comment-170323 First, Virginia does their own version of NICS in addition to NICS. When you buy a gun you fill out a white state police form that looks exactly like the yellow federal form. Second, you can read his executive order here: http://www.governor.virginia.gov/Initiatives/ExecutiveOrders/2007/EO_50.cfm As near as I can tell, he's retroactively taking away gun rights (forever mind you) by including people who are involuntarily remanded to outpatient treatment. Previously they had only included people involuntarily committed to inpatient treatment. VCDL did an interesting write-up which I posted here: http://www.ravnwood.com/archives/005977.php First, Virginia does their own version of NICS in addition to NICS. When you buy a gun you fill out a white state police form that looks exactly like the yellow federal form.

Second, you can read his executive order here: http://www.governor.virginia.gov/Initiatives/ExecutiveOrders/2007/EO_50.cfm

As near as I can tell, he’s retroactively taking away gun rights (forever mind you) by including people who are involuntarily remanded to outpatient treatment. Previously they had only included people involuntarily committed to inpatient treatment.

VCDL did an interesting write-up which I posted here: http://www.ravnwood.com/archives/005977.php

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