Comments on: The Media: We’ve sucked down AstroTurf so long that we don’t know grassroots when it jumps up and bites us in the ass http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:09:31 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: SayUncle » Someone gets it http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-180586 SayUncle » Someone gets it Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:52:41 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-180586 [...] We’ve sucked down AstroTurf so long that we don’t know grassroots when it jumps up and bites us in t... [...] [...] We’ve sucked down AstroTurf so long that we don’t know grassroots when it jumps up and bites us in t… [...]

]]> By: Max http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167647 Max Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:33:36 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167647 I don't think that the AHSA, and now the USA (Union Sportsmens' Alliance), are actually intended to draw-off NRA members. Their member services and outreach are an inch deep. I suspect that one of their primary purposes is to provide the press with a new 'moderate' pro-gun cohort. This re-centers the 2nd amendment debate, and enables the press to exclude the NRA when seeking their 'pro-gun' commentary. So rather than reading articles, or watching news coverage, with responses from HCI v. the NRA, they can frame the debate as one between HCI and the AHSA. AHSA will then offer a position which endorses the concerns of HCI but offers lip service to 'legitimate gun owners'. I don’t think that the AHSA, and now the USA (Union Sportsmens’ Alliance), are actually intended to draw-off NRA members. Their member services and outreach are an inch deep.

I suspect that one of their primary purposes is to provide the press with a new ‘moderate’ pro-gun cohort. This re-centers the 2nd amendment debate, and enables the press to exclude the NRA when seeking their ‘pro-gun’ commentary. So rather than reading articles, or watching news coverage, with responses from HCI v. the NRA, they can frame the debate as one between HCI and the AHSA. AHSA will then offer a position which endorses the concerns of HCI but offers lip service to ‘legitimate gun owners’.

]]> By: straightarrow http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167631 straightarrow Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:21:28 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167631 who would have thought a guy could be a pussy and play in the NFL? who would have thought a guy could be a pussy and play in the NFL?

]]> By: Standard Mischief http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167625 Standard Mischief Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:12:11 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167625 <blockquote>Haha, oops. Maybe I should find a spellcheck plugin for vi.</blockquote> :w !spell -b

Haha, oops. Maybe I should find a spellcheck plugin for vi.

:w !spell -b

]]> By: jesse http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167620 jesse Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:39:03 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167620 Haha, oops. Maybe I should find a spellcheck plugin for vi. Haha, oops. Maybe I should find a spellcheck plugin for vi.

]]> By: Alcibiades http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167616 Alcibiades Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:32:01 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167616 Does the AHSA hold elections? (Probably not.) If it did, it would be hilarious to take it over by a mass group of gun owners. Does the AHSA hold elections? (Probably not.) If it did, it would be hilarious to take it over by a mass group of gun owners.

]]> By: Kevin Baker http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167612 Kevin Baker Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:47:17 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167612 Jesse: When it comes to letters to the editor, spell-check is your friend. Good piece, otherwise! Jesse:

When it comes to letters to the editor, spell-check is your friend.

Good piece, otherwise!

]]> By: jesse http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167606 jesse Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:36:56 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167606 Argh, that was irritating. Here's the letter to the editor I sent them-- <blockquote>Your recent article by Ray Schoenke is based on a patently untrue premise. The NRA had absolutely nothing to do with "whipping up a frenzy on the blogosphere" that cost Jim Zumbo his sponsers. The NRA was actually far behind the curve on that one and didn't make any statements on the issue until a week afterwards. It was actually a prime example of real "grass roots" activism. To try to explain it away as brainwashed radicals following orders by the evil NRA is rediculous and blatently false. Additionally, you should be aware that the "American Hunters and Shooters Association" that Mr. Schoenke is President of is a false-flag operation that bills itself as a "gun rights" organization, when in reality, it was founded by anti-gun activists. And Mr. Schoenke himself has donated over $15,000 to organizations dedicated to banning firearms. Carrying water for this propagandist is reprehensible.</blockquote> Argh, that was irritating. Here’s the letter to the editor I sent them–

Your recent article by Ray Schoenke is based on a patently untrue premise.

The NRA had absolutely nothing to do with “whipping up a frenzy on the
blogosphere” that cost Jim Zumbo his sponsers. The NRA was actually far
behind the curve on that one and didn’t make any statements on the issue
until a week afterwards. It was actually a prime example of real “grass
roots” activism. To try to explain it away as brainwashed radicals
following orders by the evil NRA is rediculous and blatently false.

Additionally, you should be aware that the “American Hunters and Shooters
Association” that Mr. Schoenke is President of is a false-flag operation
that bills itself as a “gun rights” organization, when in reality, it was
founded by anti-gun activists. And Mr. Schoenke himself has donated over
$15,000 to organizations dedicated to banning firearms.

Carrying water for this propagandist is reprehensible.

]]> By: nk http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167604 nk Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:51:06 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167604 Ace of Spades has a cool video of five "Zumbos" getting their ass kicked by a lion. I will not "Zumbo" all trophy hunters but here I'm on the side of the lion. Here's the link, hopefully: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/219748.php Ace of Spades has a cool video of five “Zumbos” getting their ass kicked by a lion. I will not “Zumbo” all trophy hunters but here I’m on the side of the lion. Here’s the link, hopefully: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/219748.php

]]> By: Ed http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167602 Ed Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:34:31 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167602 Can this Schoenke be sued for libel? He published something he knows to be a lie in an effort to harm an organization. If one were to take the ludicrous statement that Mr. Schoenke's organization is pro-gun at face value, his comments would be like the CEO of Delta saying that United caused 9/11. I mean, his organization allegedly competes with the NRA in representing gunowners, right? That or he'd have to admit he wants Ray Schoenke to be allowed to own firearms, but you...not so much. Can this Schoenke be sued for libel? He published something he knows to be a lie in an effort to harm an organization. If one were to take the ludicrous statement that Mr. Schoenke’s organization is pro-gun at face value, his comments would be like the CEO of Delta saying that United caused 9/11. I mean, his organization allegedly competes with the NRA in representing gunowners, right? That or he’d have to admit he wants Ray Schoenke to be allowed to own firearms, but you…not so much.

]]> By: BobG http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167601 BobG Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:24:14 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167601 "Mr. Schoenke is either a liar; misleading intentionally to score political points; or a hack for an anti-gun group." Both, obviously. Of course, a person couldn't be a speaker for an anti-gun group unless they were a liar. “Mr. Schoenke is either a liar; misleading intentionally to score political points; or a hack for an anti-gun group.”

Both, obviously. Of course, a person couldn’t be a speaker for an anti-gun group unless they were a liar.

]]> By: Standard Mischief http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167600 Standard Mischief Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:11:05 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167600 I'm still getting hits on my timeline post about the incident. it's fully half the traffic I get by real people. http://standardmischief.com/2007/02/25/the-washington-post-spins-the-zumbo-saga-plus-a-timeline/ I’m still getting hits on my timeline post about the incident. it’s fully half the traffic I get by real people.

http://standardmischief.com/2007/02/25/the-washington-post-spins-the-zumbo-saga-plus-a-timeline/

]]> By: Veeshir http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167591 Veeshir Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:01:01 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167591 <a href="http://www.examiner.com/a-630600~District_gun_ban_ruling_is_a_victory_for_common_sense.html" rel="nofollow">Holy making sense</a> Batman. I forgot my "bus-book" this morning so I grabbed a copy of the The Examiner this morning. It has the usual Bush is bad/Iraq War is a mistake stuff, but then I got to the editorial. Wow, is all I can say. Well, that an "Holy common sense Batman", but you get the idea. Holy making sense Batman.

I forgot my “bus-book” this morning so I grabbed a copy of the The Examiner this morning. It has the usual Bush is bad/Iraq War is a mistake stuff, but then I got to the editorial. Wow, is all I can say. Well, that an “Holy common sense Batman”, but you get the idea.

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167585 SayUncle Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:20:24 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167585 I knew I wasn't original enough and that had to come from somewhere. I liked les jones' quip that "even a sheep isn't dumb enough to eat astroturf" I knew I wasn’t original enough and that had to come from somewhere. I liked les jones’ quip that “even a sheep isn’t dumb enough to eat astroturf”

]]> By: Kevin Baker http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/comment-page-1/#comment-167584 Kevin Baker Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:18:09 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/03/21/the_media_weve_sucked_down_astroturf_so_long_that_we_dont_know_grassroots_when_it_jumps_up_and_bites_us_in_the_ass/#comment-167584 I'm reminded of Tam's spot on quip: "they've been playing on astroturf so long that they don't know grassroots even when fed a mouthful of divot." I’m reminded of Tam’s spot on quip: “they’ve been playing on astroturf so long that they don’t know grassroots even when fed a mouthful of divot.”

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