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	<title>Comments on: Another elderly person killed in the war on drugs</title>
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		<title>By: JustDoIt</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/02/01/another_elderly_person_killed_in_the_war_on_drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-164367</link>
		<dc:creator>JustDoIt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, if these had been actual gang banging drug dealers would you also be happy if THEY admitted their mistake?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Read the article - they WERE drug dealers - invited onto the property by the inept cops.  It was a set up that went really really bad thanks once again to the complete incompetance and ignorance of LEO&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, if these had been actual gang banging drug dealers would you also be happy if THEY admitted their mistake?</p></blockquote>
<p>Read the article &#8211; they WERE drug dealers &#8211; invited onto the property by the inept cops.  It was a set up that went really really bad thanks once again to the complete incompetance and ignorance of LEO&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with &quot;not so happy&quot;:  no Kudos until someone goes to jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with &#8220;not so happy&#8221;:  no Kudos until someone goes to jail.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who said they were happy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who said they were happy?</p>
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		<title>By: NOT so happy</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOT so happy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if these had been actual gang banging drug dealers would you also be happy if THEY admitted their mistake?  Yet the result is the same...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if these had been actual gang banging drug dealers would you also be happy if THEY admitted their mistake?  Yet the result is the same&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute here.  The undercovers were on this guy&#039;s property, they had not identified themselves as police officers, and rather than move along and ending it peacefully they killed the man. How is this a mistake?  It was wrong, but they did it on purpose. It isn&#039;t a mistake, it is a crime.

Since he hadn&#039;t fired on them and only told them to leave they had half a dozen options that would have been non-fatal. Explanations could have been made later, or they could have identified themselves, or they could have moved on and had their supervisor explain to the man later,  while not breaking their cover.

They did none of those things, they shot him because they could.  The sheriff can call it a mistake if he wants, but it looks like murder to me.

If they try to use a defense of &quot;he pointed a gun&quot;, does that free up all citizens to shoot cops that show up with guns drawn? If not, why not?   

I don&#039;t think the law enforcement community can afford to let this be business as usual. If they do, the next trespasser supposedly dealing dope, who may be an undercover cop, may well be shot without warning from concealment.  That appears to be the option being left to the citizen since we don&#039;t have a scorecard and the players would rather kill you than identify themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute here.  The undercovers were on this guy&#8217;s property, they had not identified themselves as police officers, and rather than move along and ending it peacefully they killed the man. How is this a mistake?  It was wrong, but they did it on purpose. It isn&#8217;t a mistake, it is a crime.</p>
<p>Since he hadn&#8217;t fired on them and only told them to leave they had half a dozen options that would have been non-fatal. Explanations could have been made later, or they could have identified themselves, or they could have moved on and had their supervisor explain to the man later,  while not breaking their cover.</p>
<p>They did none of those things, they shot him because they could.  The sheriff can call it a mistake if he wants, but it looks like murder to me.</p>
<p>If they try to use a defense of &#8220;he pointed a gun&#8221;, does that free up all citizens to shoot cops that show up with guns drawn? If not, why not?   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the law enforcement community can afford to let this be business as usual. If they do, the next trespasser supposedly dealing dope, who may be an undercover cop, may well be shot without warning from concealment.  That appears to be the option being left to the citizen since we don&#8217;t have a scorecard and the players would rather kill you than identify themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: CTD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying &quot;we&#039;re sorry, we messed up&quot; is one thing. Someone actually being held accountable is quite another. Criminal charges against the killers are out of the question. We&#039;ll be lucky if somebody is actually fired/aske to resign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying &#8220;we&#8217;re sorry, we messed up&#8221; is one thing. Someone actually being held accountable is quite another. Criminal charges against the killers are out of the question. We&#8217;ll be lucky if somebody is actually fired/aske to resign.</p>
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