Comments on: Would that be illegal guns in Tennessee or illegal guns in NYC, which is most of them http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:27:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sailorcurt http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/comment-page-1/#comment-163345 Sailorcurt Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:05:38 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/#comment-163345 My post about the Bloomberg Protest rally in DC is up. <a href="http://sailorcurt.blogspot.com/2007/01/bloomberg-protest-report.html" rel="nofollow">Click Here</a> My post about the Bloomberg Protest rally in DC is up.

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]]> By: straightarrow http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/comment-page-1/#comment-163324 straightarrow Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:28:31 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/#comment-163324 Say Uncle is correct. Below is my response on Jeff's site. While it may seem a distinction without a difference if we do not label what was done properly, we leave a gunliar loophole for the BATFE to slide through in their sudden desire for non enforcement. <em>Please quit calling what Bloomberg did "straw purchases". They may or may not have been. We just don't know. A required element of a straw purchase is that it be bought for transfer of possession to a "prohibited" person. We do not know for certain that is true. What we do know for certain is that Bloomberg and his agents committed federal felonies by falsifying the 4473 forms which ask if the purchaser is the "actual purchaser". The only way the sale can go through is with a yes answer. If the purchaser is an agent of another, even a person who is not a prohibited person, he must answer no. A "no" answer kills the sale. So we do know that Bloomberg and his agents are guilty of numerous federal felonies. If we force the straw purchase argument we may lose because the agency the firearms were purchased for were not "prohibited" persons. And we can rely on any prosecution or investigation will be constucted as narrowly as possible to present an appearance of due diligence while securing the desired outcome of the gungrabbers. Ergo, it behooves us to call the crimes they committed more accurately. Any investigation into falsifying the 4473's can have only a "yep, they did it" outcome. Not so with the "straw purchase" approach, for the reasons above.</em> Say Uncle is correct. Below is my response on Jeff’s site. While it may seem a distinction without a difference if we do not label what was done properly, we leave a gunliar loophole for the BATFE to slide through in their sudden desire for non enforcement.

Please quit calling what Bloomberg did “straw purchases”. They may or may not have been. We just don’t know. A required element of a straw purchase is that it be bought for transfer of possession to a “prohibited” person. We do not know for certain that is true.

What we do know for certain is that Bloomberg and his agents committed federal felonies by falsifying the 4473 forms which ask if the purchaser is the “actual purchaser”. The only way the sale can go through is with a yes answer. If the purchaser is an agent of another, even a person who is not a prohibited person, he must answer no. A “no” answer kills the sale.

So we do know that Bloomberg and his agents are guilty of numerous federal felonies. If we force the straw purchase argument we may lose because the agency the firearms were purchased for were not “prohibited” persons. And we can rely on any prosecution or investigation will be constucted as narrowly as possible to present an appearance of due diligence while securing the desired outcome of the gungrabbers. Ergo, it behooves us to call the crimes they committed more accurately.

Any investigation into falsifying the 4473′s can have only a “yep, they did it” outcome. Not so with the “straw purchase” approach, for the reasons above.

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/comment-page-1/#comment-163115 SayUncle Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:30:23 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/#comment-163115 Not quite sure, ben. But the form does ask if you're the actual purchaser and if they weren't, they lied. And if they were, then their allegations are false. Not quite sure, ben. But the form does ask if you’re the actual purchaser and if they weren’t, they lied. And if they were, then their allegations are false.

]]> By: ben http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/comment-page-1/#comment-163114 ben Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:20:35 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/#comment-163114 Did they actually lie, or just pretend to lie? There's a difference. Were these actual straw purchases, or were they "simulated"? Did they actually lie, or just pretend to lie? There’s a difference. Were these actual straw purchases, or were they “simulated”?

]]> By: k-romulus http://www.saysuncle.com/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/comment-page-1/#comment-163083 k-romulus Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:53:45 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2007/01/23/would_that_be_illegal_guns_in_tennessee_or_illegal_guns_in_nyc_which_is_most_of_them/#comment-163083 Yeah, $439 for a <em>three year </em>permit just to keep ONE gun in your own house. Yeah, $439 for a three year permit just to keep ONE gun in your own house.

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