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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/12/14/oh_yeah_well_your_guys_or_worse/comment-page-1/#comment-157150</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SA, Ruby Ridge happened during the GHWB administration.  It&#039;s not as though Clinton exactly tried to clean up, of course.  IIRC, some of those involved got fancy medals on Clinton&#039;s watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SA, Ruby Ridge happened during the GHWB administration.  It&#8217;s not as though Clinton exactly tried to clean up, of course.  IIRC, some of those involved got fancy medals on Clinton&#8217;s watch.</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 05:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Ruby Ridge?  And Janet Reno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Ruby Ridge?  And Janet Reno</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police state will come from the left, not the right.  Remember Waco?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police state will come from the left, not the right.  Remember Waco?</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All I&#039;m saying is who&#039;s more likely to openly support (and campaign for) such things as warrantless police operations, reduction or elimination of judicial oversight, etc.? Liberals or conservatives?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That depends on who is being warrantlessly searched.  If the target of the search is al-Qaeda, then a conservative administration is the one likely to be behind it.  But if the target is Princess Diana or some rich Republican she was believed to have the hots for, then what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All I&#8217;m saying is who&#8217;s more likely to openly support (and campaign for) such things as warrantless police operations, reduction or elimination of judicial oversight, etc.? Liberals or conservatives?</p></blockquote>
<p>That depends on who is being warrantlessly searched.  If the target of the search is al-Qaeda, then a conservative administration is the one likely to be behind it.  But if the target is Princess Diana or some rich Republican she was believed to have the hots for, then what?</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More police raids—and thus, more botched police raids—occur in larger population centers because that&#039;s where criminals congregate and where criminal enterprises are based. It has nothing whatsoever to do with liberalism ( or conservatism) at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More police raids—and thus, more botched police raids—occur in larger population centers because that&#8217;s where criminals congregate and where criminal enterprises are based. It has nothing whatsoever to do with liberalism ( or conservatism) at all.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I&#039;m saying is who&#039;s more likely to openly support (and campaign for) such things as warrantless police operations, reduction or elimination of judicial oversight, etc.?  Liberals or conservatives?  Recent history makes this abundantly clear.  In fact, I can&#039;t even name &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; liberal who argues in defense of such things.

I agree that this shouldn&#039;t be a partisan issue, and I also agree that nobody is faultless when the rubber hits the road.  But when it comes to talking points, public statements, talking heads, etc., conservatives are orders of magnatude more likely to argue in defense of such tactics than liberals are.  That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.

And as I said at my thread, the easy way to prove me wrong is to show me Democratic and/or liberal-sponsored legislation that would expand police powers and reduce oversight.  Or show me liberal Democrats arguing in favor of such things as no-oversight warrantless wiretaps.

Instead, you&#039;ve come up with the stuninng revelation that excessive force incidents tend to happen where there are a lot of people and therefore larger police forces.  Thank you Mr. Wizard! :)  (Now, correct that for population and give &lt;i&gt;per capita&lt;/i&gt; figures, and &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; if it&#039;s still wildly out of proportion, I might be impressed.)  Never mind the fact that your two shining examples of liberal hot beds are NYC, where Republican leadership has been in place for over a decade (but they&#039;re &lt;i&gt;liberal&lt;/i&gt; Republicans, based on the fact that they&#039;re not all Brownback bat-shit crazy!), and Atlanta (the first time I&#039;ve ever heard &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; describe that city as &quot;liberal&quot; -- liberal for &lt;i&gt;the South&lt;/i&gt;, maybe...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I&#8217;m saying is who&#8217;s more likely to openly support (and campaign for) such things as warrantless police operations, reduction or elimination of judicial oversight, etc.?  Liberals or conservatives?  Recent history makes this abundantly clear.  In fact, I can&#8217;t even name <i>one</i> liberal who argues in defense of such things.</p>
<p>I agree that this shouldn&#8217;t be a partisan issue, and I also agree that nobody is faultless when the rubber hits the road.  But when it comes to talking points, public statements, talking heads, etc., conservatives are orders of magnatude more likely to argue in defense of such tactics than liberals are.  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>And as I said at my thread, the easy way to prove me wrong is to show me Democratic and/or liberal-sponsored legislation that would expand police powers and reduce oversight.  Or show me liberal Democrats arguing in favor of such things as no-oversight warrantless wiretaps.</p>
<p>Instead, you&#8217;ve come up with the stuninng revelation that excessive force incidents tend to happen where there are a lot of people and therefore larger police forces.  Thank you Mr. Wizard! <img src='http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   (Now, correct that for population and give <i>per capita</i> figures, and <i>then</i> if it&#8217;s still wildly out of proportion, I might be impressed.)  Never mind the fact that your two shining examples of liberal hot beds are NYC, where Republican leadership has been in place for over a decade (but they&#8217;re <i>liberal</i> Republicans, based on the fact that they&#8217;re not all Brownback bat-shit crazy!), and Atlanta (the first time I&#8217;ve ever heard <i>anyone</i> describe that city as &#8220;liberal&#8221; &#8212; liberal for <i>the South</i>, maybe&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Jay G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah. It&#039;s much easier to blame Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah. It&#8217;s much easier to blame Bush.</p>
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