Comments on: Orson Scott Card confounds the far left http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:20:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: SayUncle » Is a second Civil War in America possible? http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/comment-page-1/#comment-153379 SayUncle » Is a second Civil War in America possible? Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:18:10 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=10285#comment-153379 [...] I wrote about Orson Scott Card’s new novel “Empire” and commented on how this book has confounded the far left. The premise of the book is a second American Civil War between the Blue States and the Red States. [...] [...] I wrote about Orson Scott Card’s new novel “Empire” and commented on how this book has confounded the far left. The premise of the book is a second American Civil War between the Blue States and the Red States. [...]

]]> By: Phelps http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/comment-page-1/#comment-152403 Phelps Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:35:44 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=10285#comment-152403 I'm reading <i>Empire</i> right now, and he has been absurdly even-handed with it so far. He's been so even-handed that it stretches the credibility of the story. I’m reading Empire right now, and he has been absurdly even-handed with it so far. He’s been so even-handed that it stretches the credibility of the story.

]]> By: GunGeek http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/comment-page-1/#comment-151176 GunGeek Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:35:29 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=10285#comment-151176 As a member of the same church as Mr. Card, remembering that Utah had far and above the highest percentage of votes for Pres. Bush and can generally be counted on for a strongly conservative voting record, I often find myself rather frustrated with his politics. For anyone to think that he's conservative is evidence that they don't know what they're talking about. Oh, sure, there are some areas in which Card has conservative beliefs, but he is still a very strong Democrat in most regards. For the record: Mormons really are free to believe and vote as they choose and many of our past and current leaders have been Dems. However, with such strong beliefs in self reliance, morality issues, and freedom (to name just a few) it's pretty obvious why so many members lean heavily to the right. As a member of the same church as Mr. Card, remembering that Utah had far and above the highest percentage of votes for Pres. Bush and can generally be counted on for a strongly conservative voting record, I often find myself rather frustrated with his politics. For anyone to think that he’s conservative is evidence that they don’t know what they’re talking about.

Oh, sure, there are some areas in which Card has conservative beliefs, but he is still a very strong Democrat in most regards.

For the record: Mormons really are free to believe and vote as they choose and many of our past and current leaders have been Dems. However, with such strong beliefs in self reliance, morality issues, and freedom (to name just a few) it’s pretty obvious why so many members lean heavily to the right.

]]> By: Kevin Baker http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/comment-page-1/#comment-151174 Kevin Baker Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:27:17 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=10285#comment-151174 I also wanted to add: I think I'm going to get a post out of Kevin's review myself, with links to several of Card's "Ornery American" columns. I also wanted to add:

I think I’m going to get a post out of Kevin’s review myself, with links to several of Card’s “Ornery American” columns.

]]> By: #9 http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/comment-page-1/#comment-151173 #9 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:13:09 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=10285#comment-151173 Kevin's essay: http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2005/12/reasonable-people.html Kevin’s essay:

http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2005/12/reasonable-people.html

]]> By: Kevin Baker http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/comment-page-1/#comment-151172 Kevin Baker Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:04:05 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=10285#comment-151172 I strongly recommend that you read the second chapter of the book, available <a href="http://www.hatrack.com/osc/books/empire/empire_02.shtml" rel="nofollow">here</a>. From reading it, it sounds almost like Mr. Card read my essay <i>Reasonable People</i> for inspiration. It's sometimes nice (in an eerie and frightening way) to have your conclusions reinforced, even if it's in a work of fiction. I strongly recommend that you read the second chapter of the book, available here.

From reading it, it sounds almost like Mr. Card read my essay Reasonable People for inspiration. It’s sometimes nice (in an eerie and frightening way) to have your conclusions reinforced, even if it’s in a work of fiction.

]]> By: Sigivald http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/comment-page-1/#comment-151168 Sigivald Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:18:22 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=10285#comment-151168 Well, I mean, come on. He suggests Neiwert as an <i>authority</i>. Need any more be said? Well, I mean, come on. He suggests Neiwert as an authority.

Need any more be said?

]]> By: Phelps http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/comment-page-1/#comment-151166 Phelps Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:02:41 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=10285#comment-151166 After reading the post, I'm not sure he has actually read <i>Ender's Game</i>. I don't see how anyone can see Ender's remorse and feeling of having been betrayed as anything but an indictment of authoritarianism. That the officers who engineered the program were never convicted was showing that the corruption ran up to the top. It wasn't a justification of what they did. Of course, I'm sure you might get another impression if you read just his columns to attack them and hit up <i>Cliff's Notes</i> when you need to fill out a post. After reading the post, I’m not sure he has actually read Ender’s Game. I don’t see how anyone can see Ender’s remorse and feeling of having been betrayed as anything but an indictment of authoritarianism. That the officers who engineered the program were never convicted was showing that the corruption ran up to the top. It wasn’t a justification of what they did.

Of course, I’m sure you might get another impression if you read just his columns to attack them and hit up Cliff’s Notes when you need to fill out a post.

]]> By: Rustmeister http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/30/orson_scott_card_confounds_the_far_left/comment-page-1/#comment-151165 Rustmeister Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:01:54 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/?p=10285#comment-151165 <blockquote>You would think after the last election that the far left would be pleased but for some reason there is a new defensiveness, a sort of malaise has descended on what should be a happy time.</blockquote> That's because the winners ran as conservative Democrats. =)

You would think after the last election that the far left would be pleased but for some reason there is a new defensiveness, a sort of malaise has descended on what should be a happy time.

That’s because the winners ran as conservative Democrats. =)

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