Junior High School Trolling tactics don’t fly here. Try harder. Try issues, issues are good. Play rope a dope over at LGF. Somebody will engage you there.

Plagiarism is the goofiest form of flattery.

Are too, am not, rinse and repeat.

No event in American history compares to Waco (Iraq). It shouldn’t have happened. Yes, this disqualifies Reno (Bush) from even speaking. No soup for Reno (Bush).

What kind of person uses Janet Reno (George Bush) as a role model?

Actually no. That would require some people to grow up.

When Hillary runs for President in 2008 please remember that this logic that brought Waco should be a consideration. Reno was in way over her head. But no adults intervened. Why? Because there were none. The idea that Reno has any standing to call for any investigation is comical.

No event in American history compares to Waco. It shouldn’t have happened. Yes, this disqualifies Reno from even speaking. No soup for Reno.

What kind of person uses Janet Reno as a role model?

And yes, dog and pony. You go through a couple of ‘graphs stating I don’t know something and use it incorrectly in an effort to deflect criticism; then acknowledge I do, but for the wrong reasons. And I’m still wrong. Your insults are contradictory. Well, which is it?

It was the decision made under the mandate of Ms Reno that caused all those problems and nothing she can say or do at this point in time will change that. I hope she dreams about the screams and cries of those kids burned to death because of her stupid decisions.

You are fast become my favorite wingnut.

Iraq is a straw-man?

Yes.

Perhaps you don’t actually understand what the term ’straw man’ means do you? … So it isn’t a strawman at all. So there you’ve use it correctly but are still wrong.

When you have to go through that dog & pony show to set up an insult, it shows you have nothing.

I’m trying to understand what you could possibly mean… my point is you seem to have a rather Quaker-like attitude towards the Waco whackos but I suspect* a more war-like attitude when it comes to Iraq. Broken eggs for omlettes and all that.

Perhaps you don’t actually understand what the term ’straw man’ means do you? You just sort of drop it as a way of avoiding points thinking it a silver bullet to kill an argument you don’t like don’t you?

Well you might understand it because it makes a bit more sense in the context of Clinton except one can easily find many wingnuts blaming Clinton for all kinds of stuff, including Iraq. So it isn’t a strawman at all. So there you’ve use it correctly but are still wrong.

Nice try tho.

>Okay, which letter in ATF stands for ‘preventing child abuse’

That’s what I love about Instapundit; he digs out these wingnut gems for us to marvel over.

*Just a guess, please let me know if I’m wrong.

Started out, ‘they have guns’. All purchased legally
Then it was ‘they have dynamite’. Again, purchased legally (building a pool)
Then it became ‘they are abusing children’

Okay, which letter in ATF stands for ‘preventing child abuse’

If that was the case, and we have only hearsay evidence, the FBI should have been called in as that IS their jusridiction

The ATF acted like idiots and made a tense situation impossible and, in the end, fatal

Gore spouts nonsense about global warming, Michael Moore is an habitual liar, George Galloway has referred to Palestine as being the ‘jewel of the Middle East’

Hmmm…ya convinced me. Death sentences all ’round!

She may have been too tough on “Christian” standoffers, and little cuban boys, but when it came to Jihadist terrorists, she was a f—ing pantywaist. I could care less what she or anyone else from the Clinton era thinks. They are the idiots who dropped the ball. They are the ones who thought if we were nice, we wouldn’t be hit. I don’t care what they think.

bob,
I believe the reason that people from the area wished to slow-roast him over an open fire came from allegations from multiple accounts both before and after the raid that Koresh demanded ‘access’ to every woman, and several of his child brides had been ‘broken in’ prior to their teens.

That being said…
The Branch Dividian compound raid is a prime example of how to fu

Koresh did not have illegal weapons. Period. That has been proven time and again. In fact, the ATF was invited in to inspect them after the AWB was passed to make certain. The offer of surrender of any weapons that had been “illegalized” by the ban was made. The ATF declined the invitation and then put on their little “intimidate America” show. Just to let the rest of us know what could happen to our children if we didn’t curry favor.

The Davidians were certainly eccentric, but no one has ever shown them to have harmed anybody. In a free society you can be as eccentric as you want if you don’t harm others. The incident at Waco was simply federally committed murder, Ruby Ridge on a larger scale. There is no justification for it.

The government opened fire when Koresh opened the door. They went there to kill. There can be no argument about that. Everything done by the authorities made killing inevitable.

I suggest you read more on it. Study the sheriff’s statements, the Texas Ranger’s statements if they haven’t been sanitized and if you can get access to original film watch it closely.

I am not a conspiracy nut, but I do know one when I see one. All evidence points, even post event, points to the mission being considered a success in the manner the administration approved. How else does one explain the promotion of the FBI agent in charge to second highest post in the FBI when he was the same one in charge at Ruby Ridge, unless he was being rewarded for doing what was expected of him? Nobody rewards fuckups like that.

Of course America set the whole country, figuratively, on fire

Actually it is the terrorist “insurgents” who are blowing up Iraqis. Some are imports, others were the same people who raped, oppressed and enslaved Iraqis prior to the US liberation of Iraq from the Baathists. But remember, we live in an age of moral relativism. If I “invade” your yard to stop you from beating your wife to death, you have every “right” to try to kill me and also kill your children (especially if you happen to be “brown person” – never mind your victims are also brown poeple). Welcome to the gnostic age, where evil is tolerated and celebrated.

Being crazy never justifies setting someone on fire. Being crazy and trying to kill someone might justify it but just being crazy doesn’t cut it.

Iraq is a straw-man. And no one blamed Clinton (also a straw man). The criticism was of the JD.