Junior High School Trolling tactics don’t fly here. Try harder. Try issues, issues are good. Play rope a dope over at LGF. Somebody will engage you there.

Plagiarism is the goofiest form of flattery.

Are too, am not, rinse and repeat.

No event in American history compares to Waco (Iraq). It shouldn’t have happened. Yes, this disqualifies Reno (Bush) from even speaking. No soup for Reno (Bush).

What kind of person uses Janet Reno (George Bush) as a role model?

Actually no. That would require some people to grow up.

When Hillary runs for President in 2008 please remember that this logic that brought Waco should be a consideration. Reno was in way over her head. But no adults intervened. Why? Because there were none. The idea that Reno has any standing to call for any investigation is comical.

No event in American history compares to Waco. It shouldn’t have happened. Yes, this disqualifies Reno from even speaking. No soup for Reno.

What kind of person uses Janet Reno as a role model?

And yes, dog and pony. You go through a couple of ‘graphs stating I don’t know something and use it incorrectly in an effort to deflect criticism; then acknowledge I do, but for the wrong reasons. And I’m still wrong. Your insults are contradictory. Well, which is it?

It was the decision made under the mandate of Ms Reno that caused all those problems and nothing she can say or do at this point in time will change that. I hope she dreams about the screams and cries of those kids burned to death because of her stupid decisions.

You are fast become my favorite wingnut.

Iraq is a straw-man?

Yes.

Perhaps you don’t actually understand what the term ’straw man’ means do you? … So it isn’t a strawman at all. So there you’ve use it correctly but are still wrong.

When you have to go through that dog & pony show to set up an insult, it shows you have nothing.

I’m trying to understand what you could possibly mean… my point is you seem to have a rather Quaker-like attitude towards the Waco whackos but I suspect* a more war-like attitude when it comes to Iraq. Broken eggs for omlettes and all that.

Perhaps you don’t actually understand what the term ‘straw man’ means do you? You just sort of drop it as a way of avoiding points thinking it a silver bullet to kill an argument you don’t like don’t you?

Well you might understand it because it makes a bit more sense in the context of Clinton except one can easily find many wingnuts blaming Clinton for all kinds of stuff, including Iraq. So it isn’t a strawman at all. So there you’ve use it correctly but are still wrong.

Nice try tho.

>Okay, which letter in ATF stands for ‘preventing child abuse’

That’s what I love about Instapundit; he digs out these wingnut gems for us to marvel over.

*Just a guess, please let me know if I’m wrong.

Started out, ‘they have guns’. All purchased legally
Then it was ‘they have dynamite’. Again, purchased legally (building a pool)
Then it became ‘they are abusing children’

Okay, which letter in ATF stands for ‘preventing child abuse’

If that was the case, and we have only hearsay evidence, the FBI should have been called in as that IS their jusridiction

The ATF acted like idiots and made a tense situation impossible and, in the end, fatal

Gore spouts nonsense about global warming, Michael Moore is an habitual liar, George Galloway has referred to Palestine as being the ‘jewel of the Middle East’

Hmmm…ya convinced me. Death sentences all ’round!

She may have been too tough on “Christian” standoffers, and little cuban boys, but when it came to Jihadist terrorists, she was a f—ing pantywaist. I could care less what she or anyone else from the Clinton era thinks. They are the idiots who dropped the ball. They are the ones who thought if we were nice, we wouldn’t be hit. I don’t care what they think.

bob,
I believe the reason that people from the area wished to slow-roast him over an open fire came from allegations from multiple accounts both before and after the raid that Koresh demanded ‘access’ to every woman, and several of his child brides had been ‘broken in’ prior to their teens.

That being said…
The Branch Dividian compound raid is a prime example of how to fu

Koresh did not have illegal weapons. Period. That has been proven time and again. In fact, the ATF was invited in to inspect them after the AWB was passed to make certain. The offer of surrender of any weapons that had been “illegalized” by the ban was made. The ATF declined the invitation and then put on their little “intimidate America” show. Just to let the rest of us know what could happen to our children if we didn’t curry favor.

The Davidians were certainly eccentric, but no one has ever shown them to have harmed anybody. In a free society you can be as eccentric as you want if you don’t harm others. The incident at Waco was simply federally committed murder, Ruby Ridge on a larger scale. There is no justification for it.

The government opened fire when Koresh opened the door. They went there to kill. There can be no argument about that. Everything done by the authorities made killing inevitable.

I suggest you read more on it. Study the sheriff’s statements, the Texas Ranger’s statements if they haven’t been sanitized and if you can get access to original film watch it closely.

I am not a conspiracy nut, but I do know one when I see one. All evidence points, even post event, points to the mission being considered a success in the manner the administration approved. How else does one explain the promotion of the FBI agent in charge to second highest post in the FBI when he was the same one in charge at Ruby Ridge, unless he was being rewarded for doing what was expected of him? Nobody rewards fuckups like that.

Of course America set the whole country, figuratively, on fire

Actually it is the terrorist “insurgents” who are blowing up Iraqis. Some are imports, others were the same people who raped, oppressed and enslaved Iraqis prior to the US liberation of Iraq from the Baathists. But remember, we live in an age of moral relativism. If I “invade” your yard to stop you from beating your wife to death, you have every “right” to try to kill me and also kill your children (especially if you happen to be “brown person” – never mind your victims are also brown poeple). Welcome to the gnostic age, where evil is tolerated and celebrated.

Being crazy never justifies setting someone on fire. Being crazy and trying to kill someone might justify it but just being crazy doesn’t cut it.

Iraq is a straw-man. And no one blamed Clinton (also a straw man). The criticism was of the JD.

Uh huh.

Let’s set aside the fact that actually if someone is crazy enough that setting the building on fire could very well be justified; can we apply that standard to Iraq? Of course America set the whole country, figuratively, on fire and you can’t blame Clinton…

Well sensible people can’t.

lk – some past acts are worse than other. Reno’s are worse.

After contemplating that, I’d say #1. This woman should not be quoted on matters of national policy.

It’s OK to set Christianists on fire. It’s wrong to drape so-called Islamist “terrorists” in Jewish flags. This isn’t that difficult guys. American gun-owners are evil. Islamists who alledgedly fly airplanes into buildings are justifed by Vietnam, Iraq, capitalism, pollution, etc.

2008….Waco part 2. Fully backed by the ACLU. The red-stater terrorist threat will be brought to heel in retribution for their terrible treatment of gays and muslims.

The real question is what court system is Janet Reno talking about? A US military tribunal is a court system, but apparently she (and others) don’t accept that fact. Of course, the US federal courts are a system as well as the state and local courts. I’m sure most people will assume that is what she means. However, Janet Reno has no problem with the International Criminal Court, but they are only in prosecuting Donald Rumsfeld rather than terrorists. Also the US doesn’t recognize the ICC.

Alas, Janet Reno is most famous (as the tragedies in Waco and Little Havana suggest) in using the court of public opinion and the media, which is another court system that is not recognized formally by the US.

So which is a more dangerous precendent: A US Administration using a military tribunal, that has been recognized as a legitimate US court system for over 200 years, to try a combatant (as is proscribed by international treaties that the US is a party to) or a former Attorney General using the court of public opinion to exonerate her decision to execute US citizens and kidnap children at gunpoint.

Rustmeister (or someone else), is it even legal, under the Geneva Conventions, to try a irregular combatant under civilian criminal legal systems? For instance, I know you can’t try a POW for murder, even if before capture the identified combatant destroyed a small town.

To the Democrats, the MSM and the LLL’s their politics and the lust for power trump the very “virtues” they claim to hold so dear.

They claim they are all for “gay rights” yet turn a blind eye to what their Islamofascist heroes do to gays such as hang them or throw them off of buildings. They screech about “sexual McCarthyism” while being experts in the practice of it.

They claim they are all for “womens rights” yet turn a blind eye to the slavery of women under their Islamofascist heroes, the honor killings,the genital mutilation, the infanticide of female babies (I guess that falls under “right to choose”-as in the right to choose to kill female children which have no value under Islam except to breed and be slaves).

They *GASP* in feigned horror when some idiot drops the “N-word” yet delight in calling any and all Blacks who wander off the “Democratic Plantation” Uncle Tom, Aunt Jemimma, and “house niggers” (THEIR WORDS-NOT MINE!). They also do not seem to have a problem with their own members using racial/ethnic epithets such as Jessie “Hymietown” Jackson or Al “Cracker” Sharpton.

They turn a blind eye to anything and everything that they can not use to bash America, the Republicans or President Bush.

The Democrats, the MSM and the LLL’s are Hypocrites, Misogynists and Racist. Above all they are seditionists and traitors.

Mostly for the firearms.

But if we’ve learned nothing since Waco, it’s that BATF-approved religions are treated differently than non-BATF ones.

Then hang her.

Also, we will never know which, if any, of the FBI and ATF’s allegations about Koresh are true, because the FBI destroyed most of the evidence and claims it cannot find other important items (e.g. the front door, which would presumably show whether the bullet holes were from incoming fire, outgoing fire or both).

Not that it really would have mattered, though, because the integrity of the FBI’s crime lab was slim to none under Reno’s reign.

Why is it that I reflexively think of tanks and subguns deployed in the civilian arena when someone mentions Janet Reno?

That’s a bit harsh.

He was as responsible, if not moreso, for the deaths of those children. That’s enough for me.

Then Reno and Co.

When someone who sets people on fire and sends jack-booted gunners after a six-year-old says you’re setting a dangerous precedent, it’s time for some serious introspection.

And then a call to the Attorney General.

The civilization is at the tipping point.

Since when does the Geneva/Hague conventions or the US Constitution cover irregular combatants, otherwise known as terrorists? Of course, they are usually called freedom fighters, or somesuch. People who put this stuff out aren’t right. Talk about being on the other side.

Sedition charges all around! Grrr.