Comments on: Even the gunnie gurus can be wrong http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:08:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Standard Mischief http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148689 Standard Mischief Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:51:45 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148689 <blockquote>I would think that most who have the expendable cash to drop on a Steyr probably: 1. has a full gun safe at home and 2: doesn’t really need a jack of all trades for anything other than the novelty factor.</blockquote> And they would be the ones to get it in .223

I would think that most who have the expendable cash to drop on a Steyr probably: 1. has a full gun safe at home and 2: doesn’t really need a jack of all trades for anything other than the novelty factor.

And they would be the ones to get it in .223

]]> By: Dave http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148559 Dave Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:33:43 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148559 The general concept of having one good rifle to do everything you need isn't new. 30-30's of various types have been used that way for generations. As for the specific idea of the scout, I rather prefer the military surplus route. I would think that most who have the expendable cash to drop on a Steyr probably: 1. has a full gun safe at home and 2: doesn't really need a jack of all trades for anything other than the novelty factor. http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/mosinscoutrifle/index.asp http://home.earthlink.net/~hwsportsman/CheapScout.html The general concept of having one good rifle to do everything you need isn’t new. 30-30’s of various types have been used that way for generations.
As for the specific idea of the scout, I rather prefer the military surplus route. I would think that most who have the expendable cash to drop on a Steyr probably: 1. has a full gun safe at home and 2: doesn’t really need a jack of all trades for anything other than the novelty factor.

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/mosinscoutrifle/index.asp

http://home.earthlink.net/~hwsportsman/CheapScout.html

]]> By: Standard Mischief http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148268 Standard Mischief Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:35:51 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148268 I thought the Styer Scout Rifle was WAY overpriced, and I understand that there was a problem with light primer strikes on a large percentage of them (Source: Boston's gun bible 2nd edition). I did like the ergonomics and the bipod. The problem with the flavors of homemade scouts seems to be that most of them don't make weight. You really need to hike ten miles with 30 pounds of gear to truly see that you don't want a Garand for the Scout Rifle role, even if you have a neat-o cool large eye relief scope mounted on it. I thought the Styer Scout Rifle was WAY overpriced, and I understand that there was a problem with light primer strikes on a large percentage of them (Source: Boston’s gun bible 2nd edition). I did like the ergonomics and the bipod.

The problem with the flavors of homemade scouts seems to be that most of them don’t make weight. You really need to hike ten miles with 30 pounds of gear to truly see that you don’t want a Garand for the Scout Rifle role, even if you have a neat-o cool large eye relief scope mounted on it.

]]> By: gattsuru http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148248 gattsuru Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:42:01 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148248 He tended to write condescendingly about many things. That doesn't mean that the tone is undeserved. Go to the local shooting competition and see how many GLOCKs are there. You'll see some, particularly in the smaller comps, but just as often if not more, you'll find. The same can be said for other places pistol fanatics meet. It's not a bad pistol, as Cooper noted: it "is obviously satisfactory in most uses." It's just not going to go as far as some alternatives if you spend the same time and money on it. And I like the Scout. It's not useful for tree hunters, and I probably wouldn't take it as my first choice for predominately ranged combat, but it does have its place. It remains small, easy to carry, fast to aim, and easy to reload. While it loses a bit of utility due to the decreased power of the shell from the short barrel, that's not a significantly problematic flaw for most use. He tended to write condescendingly about many things. That doesn’t mean that the tone is undeserved. Go to the local shooting competition and see how many GLOCKs are there. You’ll see some, particularly in the smaller comps, but just as often if not more, you’ll find. The same can be said for other places pistol fanatics meet. It’s not a bad pistol, as Cooper noted: it “is obviously satisfactory in most uses.” It’s just not going to go as far as some alternatives if you spend the same time and money on it.

And I like the Scout. It’s not useful for tree hunters, and I probably wouldn’t take it as my first choice for predominately ranged combat, but it does have its place. It remains small, easy to carry, fast to aim, and easy to reload. While it loses a bit of utility due to the decreased power of the shell from the short barrel, that’s not a significantly problematic flaw for most use.

]]> By: Phelps http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148240 Phelps Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:25:55 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148240 Even as a Glock guy, I think he was fairly even-handed and spot on. A highly accurized 1911 clone (or some of the others like Sigs) will be more accurate. The Glock, on the other hand, almost never <i>requires</i> cleaning (even if it is a good idea) and is unsafe enough that it will go BANG when your hands are numb from adrenaline dump and you forget things like how to work complex things like manual safties. And expert pistolero has enough muscle memory that he doesn't have to think about thumbing the safety off, so a manual safety is a wise investment for him. For a guy like me, that manual safety might get me killed because my gun turns into a real short club because I forget how to work it. Even as a Glock guy, I think he was fairly even-handed and spot on. A highly accurized 1911 clone (or some of the others like Sigs) will be more accurate. The Glock, on the other hand, almost never requires cleaning (even if it is a good idea) and is unsafe enough that it will go BANG when your hands are numb from adrenaline dump and you forget things like how to work complex things like manual safties. And expert pistolero has enough muscle memory that he doesn’t have to think about thumbing the safety off, so a manual safety is a wise investment for him. For a guy like me, that manual safety might get me killed because my gun turns into a real short club because I forget how to work it.

]]> By: Marc http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148238 Marc Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:23:29 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148238 The Scout Rifle works well for the mission he described. It's just that that mission is unlikely to come up in most of our lives. The Scout Rifle works well for the mission he described. It’s just that that mission is unlikely to come up in most of our lives.

]]> By: BobG http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148233 BobG Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:45:17 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148233 I agree it's a matter of personal choice. Personally, I prefer the balance and trigger of a 1911, but I would be the last person to say that it is "better" than other types. It just works better for me. I agree it’s a matter of personal choice. Personally, I prefer the balance and trigger of a 1911, but I would be the last person to say that it is “better” than other types. It just works better for me.

]]> By: Les Jones http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148230 Les Jones Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:23:02 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148230 Reading what he said, it seemed like a pretty even-handed opinion of Glocks. He said several really nice things about them, but he just didn't think they were the best choice. Reading what he said, it seemed like a pretty even-handed opinion of Glocks. He said several really nice things about them, but he just didn’t think they were the best choice.

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148226 SayUncle Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:17:32 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148226 No, didn't know that. I took his rather backhanded way of talking about them as, well, condescending. I could be wrong, of course. No, didn’t know that. I took his rather backhanded way of talking about them as, well, condescending.

I could be wrong, of course.

]]> By: Tam http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-148225 Tam Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:13:48 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/11/20/even_the_gunnie_gurus_can_be_wrong/#comment-148225 You should maybe read more of what he wrote on Glocks. You do realize that his daughter carries one? You should maybe read more of what he wrote on Glocks. You do realize that his daughter carries one?

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