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		<title>By: newscoma</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/07/so_let_me_get_this_straight-2/comment-page-1/#comment-145064</link>
		<dc:creator>newscoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, when I read this post I laughed.
Out Loud.
There are times I&#039;m smitten with this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, when I read this post I laughed.<br />
Out Loud.<br />
There are times I&#8217;m smitten with this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2006/11/07/so_let_me_get_this_straight-2/comment-page-1/#comment-145056</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thing there&#039;s no right to a &quot;perfect voting system&quot;, since one&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow&#039;s_impossibility_theorem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;impossible&lt;/a&gt;.

And even if we limit that to a perfect voting &lt;i&gt;mechanism&lt;/i&gt; - that is, just the counting of votes as they were intended to be cast - we still can&#039;t achieve perfection, though we can get tolerably close.

I do wonder what Storm&#039;s complaint was really supposed to be. Did he even &lt;i&gt;read&lt;/i&gt; the decision he cited? The one that dealt only with the &lt;i&gt;Tennessee&lt;/i&gt; constitution, not the US one? The one that rejected Mills&#039; argument that paperless voting was not &#039;equal&#039; under the law to paper ballots &lt;i&gt;because the equality was that of suffrage, not of mechanism&lt;/i&gt;? (See pages 9, 10.)

That there is no right to a certain balloting system, based on the use of &lt;i&gt;mechanical&lt;/i&gt; voting machines in 1938? What specific part of any of that argument is incorrect or anti-&quot;democratic&quot;? 

To complain that the nation is not &quot;democratic&quot; because a state court decided that electronic voting, in the &lt;i&gt;absence of any showing of harm&lt;/i&gt; (&quot;&lt;i&gt;The Complaint in this case does not allege facts that rise to the level of a violation of the Plaintiff’s constitutional rights.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;) was acceptable, boggles the mind.

It&#039;s one thing to suggest that paperless voting is a &lt;i&gt;bad idea&lt;/i&gt;; it probably is. But that has nothing to do with the court&#039;s decision or its logic or the constitution of the state of Tennessee.

#9: To be double pedantic, in at least one one of the common and accepted uses of &quot;democracy&quot;, a representative republic &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a democracy (a state where the people control the government). It&#039;s just not a democracy in at least one of the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; uses of the term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thing there&#8217;s no right to a &#8220;perfect voting system&#8221;, since one&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem" rel="nofollow">impossible</a>.</p>
<p>And even if we limit that to a perfect voting <i>mechanism</i> &#8211; that is, just the counting of votes as they were intended to be cast &#8211; we still can&#8217;t achieve perfection, though we can get tolerably close.</p>
<p>I do wonder what Storm&#8217;s complaint was really supposed to be. Did he even <i>read</i> the decision he cited? The one that dealt only with the <i>Tennessee</i> constitution, not the US one? The one that rejected Mills&#8217; argument that paperless voting was not &#8216;equal&#8217; under the law to paper ballots <i>because the equality was that of suffrage, not of mechanism</i>? (See pages 9, 10.)</p>
<p>That there is no right to a certain balloting system, based on the use of <i>mechanical</i> voting machines in 1938? What specific part of any of that argument is incorrect or anti-&#8221;democratic&#8221;? </p>
<p>To complain that the nation is not &#8220;democratic&#8221; because a state court decided that electronic voting, in the <i>absence of any showing of harm</i> (&#8221;<i>The Complaint in this case does not allege facts that rise to the level of a violation of the Plaintiff’s constitutional rights.</i>&#8220;) was acceptable, boggles the mind.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to suggest that paperless voting is a <i>bad idea</i>; it probably is. But that has nothing to do with the court&#8217;s decision or its logic or the constitution of the state of Tennessee.</p>
<p>#9: To be double pedantic, in at least one one of the common and accepted uses of &#8220;democracy&#8221;, a representative republic <i>is</i> a democracy (a state where the people control the government). It&#8217;s just not a democracy in at least one of the <i>other</i> uses of the term.</p>
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		<title>By: #9</title>
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		<dc:creator>#9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Representative republic. Please. &lt;/i&gt;

Thank you. It is different from a democracy. Unless you are a far left liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Representative republic. Please. </i></p>
<p>Thank you. It is different from a democracy. Unless you are a far left liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: drstrangegun</title>
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		<dc:creator>drstrangegun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Representative republic. Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Representative republic. Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot &quot;safely land a manned spaceship on the moon&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot &#8220;safely land a manned spaceship on the moon&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormare Mackee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormare Mackee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tennessee Court of Appeals has degreed that we have the right to vote, but there&#039;s no constitutional guarantee that every vote must be counted. 

http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/tca/PDF/063/MillsDGopn.pdf
&quot;In short, while the right to vote is fundamental, there is no recognized right to a certain balloting system. Furthermore, there is no right to a perfect voting system.&quot;

Let&#039;s all pretend we live in a democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tennessee Court of Appeals has degreed that we have the right to vote, but there&#8217;s no constitutional guarantee that every vote must be counted. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/tca/PDF/063/MillsDGopn.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/tca/PDF/063/MillsDGopn.pdf</a><br />
&#8220;In short, while the right to vote is fundamental, there is no recognized right to a certain balloting system. Furthermore, there is no right to a perfect voting system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s all pretend we live in a democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: #9</title>
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		<dc:creator>#9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The computers are not the problem. The problem is the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The computers are not the problem. The problem is the people.</p>
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