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1. BigWoolyMammoth Says:
   March 30th, 2006 at 3:59 pm

   And we win 🙂

   well sort of. I still won’t be able to legally carry in Omaha (my home) or Lincoln. Or the bank. Or the bar. Or sporting events. Or… you get the picture.

2. Sebastian Says:
   March 30th, 2006 at 5:11 pm

   So what’s possble? Here’s my take of the situation. The remaining states that are discrescionary or no-issue:

   1. Delaware

   Possible, maybe even this year. Ruth Ann Minner has been courting the gun vote, despite being a democrat with a relatively suburban contituency in New Castle county. Delaware already passed reciprocity, and recognizes several shall-issue state permits including Florida, and otherwise has fair gun laws

   2. Iowa

   My understanding is that many Iowa countries are already largely shall issue. I haven’t heard of any movement to change Iowa’s law to shall-issue, but it would seem to me that Iowa is feasable

   3. Wisconsin

   Hopefully three times is a charm for going over Doyle. If they get rid of him though, they’ve got it

   4. California

   Sorry, not going to happen. California is a lost cause

   5. Hawaii

   Some noise this year about passing shall-issue. I’m skeptical. Not a very gun friendly state in general. Shooters who are fans of ABC’s Lost undoubtedly get a chuckle from the short magazines on all the Kalashnikovs in the show because they film in Hawaii which bans the normal ones.

   6. New Jersey

   New Jersey is the lost cause of lost causes. It’s a giant suburb of New York and Philadelphia.

   7. New York

   New York will never enact statewide shall-issue. It may be possible to get it for the rest of the state, but unlikely I think. I also think you can’t bring a handgun into New York if it’s not registered, so shall issue won’t help non-residents any.

   8. Illinois

   Lost cause, but probably not as far gone as some others.

   9. Massachusetts

   We’ll be lucky if they aren’t the first state to outlaw firearms. The only sad things is so many of them are trying to turn their two northern neighbors into anti-gun cesspools as well.

   10. Maryland

   I think Maryland is possible, but it’s an uphill battle.

   11. Rhode Island

   I don’t know anything about Rhode Island politics, except for the legendary corruption. I would imagine it’s not really possible, but I’ve heard Rhode Island in law has shall-issue, but not in practice.

3. countertop Says:
   March 30th, 2006 at 5:27 pm

   Sebastian,

   Interesting list.

   Why isn’t Alabama on it? My understanding was that they were still a may (though very pro gun) issue state.

   As for the list,

   I think Deleware, Iowa, Wisconsin are probably doable. I would be very very surprised if Maryland was, unless it becomes an issue to split likely gubernatorial candidate Tom O’Malley and his primary challenger bigoted gun banning Doug Duncan.

4. TheFaz Says:
   March 30th, 2006 at 5:41 pm

   Unfortunately Sebastian is right. The fight from here is going to be much tougher. A couple of quick comments based on my experience though.

   1. Much of NY State is actually shall-issue. Once you leave NYC and the immediate vicinity, most counties issue pistol permits (which are also carry permits) without any issue. There was a move by certain judges (who issue the permits) to make them “hunting and target shooting only”, which would preclude CC, but that seems to have faded out.

   2. The same situation applies in Mass. Once you leave Middlesex County, it is not difficult to get a FOID with CC in most counties. As an aside, despite having draconian AW legislation, actual full-auto is still legal in MA. I’ll leave it to others to decipher that logic.

   3. The RI supreme Court recently decided a CC permit case that upheld the right to bear arms in the state and should make the state shall-issue. However, how that is being implemented in practice is another story.

   So out of the 11 mentioned, I would say 5 at best could go shall-issue (Iowa, Wisconsin, Delaware, Maryland and RI). Most likely is we grab IA, DE and WI in the next year or two, with the others stuck where they are.

5. Sebastian Says:
   March 30th, 2006 at 6:03 pm

   My understanding is that in practice Alabama does not deny licenses except for good cause. If you really want to get technical, my home state of Pennsylvania is also may-issue, since the Sheriffs do have some discrescion under the “an individual whose character and reputation is such that the individual would be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety.” clause of the UFA. In practice I haven’t heard of this being used outside of Philadelphia, but it’s still some measure of discrescion.

6. Standard Mischief Says:
   March 30th, 2006 at 7:16 pm

   Soon, there will be only two states without CCW provisions (Illinois and Wisconsin). Wisconsin is possible and Illinois likely a lost cause. After Wisconsin, getting the 9 may issue states converted to shall issue is a worthy goal.

   Several of the “shall issue only to rich or politically connected people” states may take a few more decades. A worthy goal might be more “Vermont” states. Texas, Wyoming, Florida maybe? I mean the blood isn’t exactly running in the streets in Alaska, right?

   This is huge, as it gets people out of the mindset that they have to get a permission slip to exercise a right.

   The other worthy goal would be to remove stupid ass restrictions on CCW licenses. Stuff like “breakfast at Denny’s for non-drinkers” laws (designated defensive shooter law).

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