Comments on: Joint Combat Pistol

By: SayUncle » Return of the 45

SayUncle » Return of the 45 — Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:11:03 +0000

[...] Readers of SayUncle already knew about the Joint Combat Pistol (see here and Les’ post here) but I think this is the first report that didn’t come from a gun board. [...]

By: Tam

Tam — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:48:21 +0000

PS: Can you tell that they’ve caused me a ton of grief?

By: Tam

Tam — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:47:49 +0000

The NIJ does not apply that term to the LDA Paras.

It’s kind of hard for a pistol to be “striker fired” when it doesn’t actually have a striker.

The LDA is just another one of those recent action designs that doesn’t fit the old paradigms of “SA” or “DA’ (although, from a strictly mechanical standpoint, it’s about as “double action” as a Ruger Blackhawk.)

To expound a bit (from out behind the shop counter), the LDA is completely pointless, exists only to placate the nerves of people who get the vapors at the sight of a cocked hammer, causes more problems than it solves, is mechanically fragile, and once the current batch is gone from the sales counter, won’t be carried as a regular stock item at the shop, being more of a service headache than its worth.

By: Les Jones

Les Jones — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:34:30 +0000

Tam, blame the NIJ, not me. They’re the one who decided to call Glock-style actions “striker-fired.”

By: SayUncle

SayUncle — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:24:29 +0000

Not sure why it’s necessary other than to allow 95% of users to be able to operate it.

By: d

Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:10:25 +0000

sorry for a silly question: why is a “modular grip” necessary for military use, but not provided by H&K/Glock?

By: Tam

Tam — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:32:25 +0000

“It�s striker-fired … but with an external hammer rather than a striker.”

Les, I love ya’ to death, man, but what you just said is the equivalent of, oh, “It’s turbocharged, but with the turbo driven by a belt off the crankshaft, instead of by exhaust gasses.”

By: _Jon

_Jon — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:45:44 +0000

Yo, how’s ’bout some links (& pictures) so’s us dumb-uns can know what’ch’all are yakkin’ ’bout?

(I love leaving pictures of firearms on my PC at work, then letting visitors “accidentally” see the screen. It’s beyond fun. FYI, I do computer work for an automotive finance company – uptight as they get. How uptight? Well, let’s just say that after Sarbaines / Oxley became law, we had to change less than 1% of our processes – we are more strict than the FedLaw requires….)

heh

By: Les

Les — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:01:46 +0000

It’s striker-fired (meaning that it’s partially cocked by the slide action, with the remainder of the cocking done by the trigger), but with an external hammer rather than a striker. That’s why it has such a light trigger, and why it doesn’t have second-strike capability. (Second strick isn’t the right word, which isn’t coming to me right now. Basically, you can’t just pull the trigger to get a second strike on the primer like you can with a true DA.)

By: ben

ben — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:42:57 +0000

Les: I know striker fired is one of the options, I read your post

I’m simply not sure under what catagory the LDA falls. Is it really just a funny SA or is it a funny striker fired weapon?

By: Brass

Brass — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:21:27 +0000

I can’t pull up the specs, but I wouldn’t be suprised if the H&K P2000 doesn’t fit the requirements (minus the shot counter) to a T. I’m pretty sure that the XM-8, H&K’s entry for the new US assualt rifle, has a shot counter and that it recorded the date and time each shot was fired. The government seems hellbent on throwing money at H&K.

By: Les

Les — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:39:17 +0000

Ben: striker-fired is one of the options.

The modular grip is a should rather than a shall, so guns could pass without it as long as they otherwise accommodate the 5% to 95% hand size requirement.

I’m guessing the doublestack Para LDAs probably couldn’t do that, BTW. I’ve shot them and the handle is pretty darned beefy.

By: ben

ben — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:17:56 +0000

The Para LDA? Is it essentially a striker fired weapon with a funny hammer? It certainly ain’t DA/SA, nor is it DAO.

Maybe Beretta will offer the new PX4 Storm in .45ACP. Or possibly the new Ruger P345 is in the running.