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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of the modern cruise ships at &#039;all ahead full&#039; can run about 30 knots</description>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pirates operating small boats from the more backwards parts of Indonesia often attack freighters and yachts. This is just for profit. It gets a lot less attention than it should have - especially considering the role of Indonesian authorities in ensuring ships plying their waters are disarmed and vulnerable.

Attacking a cruise ship with thousands of passengers and crew is a whole different thing from attacking a freighter with a crew of around 20 or less. If they were regular out-for-profit pirates, they were getting way too ambitious; it&#039;s not just the extra problems they take on by trying to control such a crowd once they are aboard, but that hijacking a passenger ship is the best way I can imagine to get the US Navy involved in force - and our destroyers and carriers in the Gulf were less than a day away, I think. If they&#039;re just pirates, they are remarkably stupid, so I think it was terrorists. 

In fact, I wonder why US forces didn&#039;t scramble aircraft to the area long before the 90 minutes were up. Maybe it&#039;s too long range?

Anyway, best responses to pirates:

1) Clean out their bases. Once again, I think it&#039;s time to make it clear that if a country near shipping lanes is unable or unwilling to prevent pirates from using their coasts, the US Navy and Marine Corps will come in and establish order. The section of north Africa once known as the Barbary Coast eventually learned that it was less painful to do the job themselves. The British Navy used to handle much of the rest of the uncivilized world, but they&#039;re not up to the job anymore, while it wouldn&#039;t be much more than a live-fire training exercise for us to clean out the worst spots. 

2) Mount a few .50 BMG&#039;s on the potential targets, if they&#039;ve got the capability of keeping a good enough watch to call sailors to the guns before the pirates can sneak aboard. A half-mile long supertanker with a small crew might have trouble keeping watch for small boats, but cruise ships should have no problem.. Of course, ensure the law allows proper self-defense - that is, if a shot across the bow doesn&#039;t discourage them, allow the defending ship to sink the attacking boat at a distance. The only good pirate is a dead pirate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pirates operating small boats from the more backwards parts of Indonesia often attack freighters and yachts. This is just for profit. It gets a lot less attention than it should have &#8211; especially considering the role of Indonesian authorities in ensuring ships plying their waters are disarmed and vulnerable.</p>
<p>Attacking a cruise ship with thousands of passengers and crew is a whole different thing from attacking a freighter with a crew of around 20 or less. If they were regular out-for-profit pirates, they were getting way too ambitious; it&#8217;s not just the extra problems they take on by trying to control such a crowd once they are aboard, but that hijacking a passenger ship is the best way I can imagine to get the US Navy involved in force &#8211; and our destroyers and carriers in the Gulf were less than a day away, I think. If they&#8217;re just pirates, they are remarkably stupid, so I think it was terrorists. </p>
<p>In fact, I wonder why US forces didn&#8217;t scramble aircraft to the area long before the 90 minutes were up. Maybe it&#8217;s too long range?</p>
<p>Anyway, best responses to pirates:</p>
<p>1) Clean out their bases. Once again, I think it&#8217;s time to make it clear that if a country near shipping lanes is unable or unwilling to prevent pirates from using their coasts, the US Navy and Marine Corps will come in and establish order. The section of north Africa once known as the Barbary Coast eventually learned that it was less painful to do the job themselves. The British Navy used to handle much of the rest of the uncivilized world, but they&#8217;re not up to the job anymore, while it wouldn&#8217;t be much more than a live-fire training exercise for us to clean out the worst spots. </p>
<p>2) Mount a few .50 BMG&#8217;s on the potential targets, if they&#8217;ve got the capability of keeping a good enough watch to call sailors to the guns before the pirates can sneak aboard. A half-mile long supertanker with a small crew might have trouble keeping watch for small boats, but cruise ships should have no problem.. Of course, ensure the law allows proper self-defense &#8211; that is, if a shot across the bow doesn&#8217;t discourage them, allow the defending ship to sink the attacking boat at a distance. The only good pirate is a dead pirate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcibiades</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcibiades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another interesting fact, the first (I think) undeclared U.S. war was the 1798 French Naval War.  Those jerks were messing with our shipping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another interesting fact, the first (I think) undeclared U.S. war was the 1798 French Naval War.  Those jerks were messing with our shipping.</p>
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		<title>By: Heartless Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heartless Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the fact that the ship captian laid on the throttles (anyone know the max speed of a cruise liner?) and headed for open ocean, coupled with the fact that these guys were pretty far out (100 nm) in small boats to begin with, was probably more effective than the sonic weapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the fact that the ship captian laid on the throttles (anyone know the max speed of a cruise liner?) and headed for open ocean, coupled with the fact that these guys were pretty far out (100 nm) in small boats to begin with, was probably more effective than the sonic weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC, the first war declared by the US was against pirates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC, the first war declared by the US was against pirates.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember seeing a story a while ago about how terrorists and pirates are very similar and use similar tactics; it posited that the way you fight terrorists is not like you fight a war (as the US has done) and not like you fight crime (as Europe has done) but like how you&#039;d fight pirates (as 18th-century England did).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember seeing a story a while ago about how terrorists and pirates are very similar and use similar tactics; it posited that the way you fight terrorists is not like you fight a war (as the US has done) and not like you fight crime (as Europe has done) but like how you&#8217;d fight pirates (as 18th-century England did).</p>
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		<title>By: countertop</title>
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		<dc:creator>countertop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my all trusting and immensly valuable Black&#039;s Law Dictionary (6th Edition)

&lt;b&gt;Pirate&lt;/b&gt; - one guilty of the crime of piracy.

&lt;b&gt;Piracy&lt;/b&gt; - THose acts of robbery and depredation upon the high seas which, if committeed on land, would have amounted to a felony. Brigandage committed on the sea or from the sea. Whoever, onthe hgih seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterward brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life. 18 U.S.C.A. Sec 1651 &lt;i&gt;See also&lt;/i&gt; Air Piracy

&lt;b&gt;Air Piracy&lt;/b&gt; - Any sezure or exercise by cotrol, by force or violence or threat of force or violence ad with the wrongful intent, and any aircraft in flight in air commerce. 49 U.S.C.A. Sec 1472(i)


Interestingly enough - the same page that defines Air Piracy also defines &quot;Aim a weapon.&quot; The definition of Pistol appears on the page that has Piracy.

Not that it means anything or is surprising, but I thought it was interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my all trusting and immensly valuable Black&#8217;s Law Dictionary (6th Edition)</p>
<p><b>Pirate</b> &#8211; one guilty of the crime of piracy.</p>
<p><b>Piracy</b> &#8211; THose acts of robbery and depredation upon the high seas which, if committeed on land, would have amounted to a felony. Brigandage committed on the sea or from the sea. Whoever, onthe hgih seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterward brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life. 18 U.S.C.A. Sec 1651 <i>See also</i> Air Piracy</p>
<p><b>Air Piracy</b> &#8211; Any sezure or exercise by cotrol, by force or violence or threat of force or violence ad with the wrongful intent, and any aircraft in flight in air commerce. 49 U.S.C.A. Sec 1472(i)</p>
<p>Interestingly enough &#8211; the same page that defines Air Piracy also defines &#8220;Aim a weapon.&#8221; The definition of Pistol appears on the page that has Piracy.</p>
<p>Not that it means anything or is surprising, but I thought it was interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: countertop</title>
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		<dc:creator>countertop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Les,

Read it in about 2 days.  Its great.  A real page turner and eye opener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Les,</p>
<p>Read it in about 2 days.  Its great.  A real page turner and eye opener.</p>
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		<title>By: cube</title>
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		<dc:creator>cube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thieves of the see, landlover....arrrggh.

Remember, mate, pilliage before you burn...arrgggh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thieves of the see, landlover&#8230;.arrrggh.</p>
<p>Remember, mate, pilliage before you burn&#8230;arrgggh.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought pirates were just, you know, thieves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought pirates were just, you know, thieves.</p>
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		<title>By: cube</title>
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		<dc:creator>cube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>priates = sea
terrorists = land
hijackers = air</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>priates = sea<br />
terrorists = land<br />
hijackers = air</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top: is that a good book? I&#039;ve got it on my Amazon wish list but haven&#039;t pulled the trigger yet.

&lt;linkwhoring&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001834.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s some info about using guns on boats&lt;/a&gt;&gt;&lt;/linkwhoring&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top: is that a good book? I&#8217;ve got it on my Amazon wish list but haven&#8217;t pulled the trigger yet.</p>
<p>&lt;linkwhoring&gt;<a href="http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001834.shtml" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s some info about using guns on boats</a>&gt;&lt;/linkwhoring&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: countertop</title>
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		<dc:creator>countertop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A pirate is someone who trys to commandeer a vessel while in transit - usually a boat but I believe the term also applies to people hijacking airplanes.  For what its worth - most pirates are muslim or connected to the Chinese underground (who usually use muslims from Indonesia).  Now, whether the pirates intedned to take the boat (and kill all the passengers) as a political statement or to use in a future terrorist related attack, we don&#039;t know.  My semi educated guess is its pretty likely that if the pirates were conencted to al queda they were plkanning on doing just that - or they may have simply been looking for slaves (yes, folks, the slave trade is alive and well - lots of &quot;ghost&quot; ships prowling the seas that have been pirated, hijacked, and the crew turned into slaves, but there is also lots of slavery going on in africa - true story, I had a secretary a few years ago - she now works for a famous hollywood liberal - who&#039;s father was nigerian (mother was from Alabama) and their family business in Nigeria was managing the slave trade for their tribe  - she was smart enough to see how foolish most American civil rights leaders were)

Otherwise, they COULD have just been looking to take everyone&#039;s wallets - but I doubt it.  Not there.

Read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0452284139/qid=1131462316/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-5824411-4123826?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dangerous Waters&lt;/a&gt; if you want to open your eyes to a problem few people were aware of until this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pirate is someone who trys to commandeer a vessel while in transit &#8211; usually a boat but I believe the term also applies to people hijacking airplanes.  For what its worth &#8211; most pirates are muslim or connected to the Chinese underground (who usually use muslims from Indonesia).  Now, whether the pirates intedned to take the boat (and kill all the passengers) as a political statement or to use in a future terrorist related attack, we don&#8217;t know.  My semi educated guess is its pretty likely that if the pirates were conencted to al queda they were plkanning on doing just that &#8211; or they may have simply been looking for slaves (yes, folks, the slave trade is alive and well &#8211; lots of &#8220;ghost&#8221; ships prowling the seas that have been pirated, hijacked, and the crew turned into slaves, but there is also lots of slavery going on in africa &#8211; true story, I had a secretary a few years ago &#8211; she now works for a famous hollywood liberal &#8211; who&#8217;s father was nigerian (mother was from Alabama) and their family business in Nigeria was managing the slave trade for their tribe  &#8211; she was smart enough to see how foolish most American civil rights leaders were)</p>
<p>Otherwise, they COULD have just been looking to take everyone&#8217;s wallets &#8211; but I doubt it.  Not there.</p>
<p>Read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0452284139/qid=1131462316/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-5824411-4123826?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846" rel="nofollow">Dangerous Waters</a> if you want to open your eyes to a problem few people were aware of until this week.</p>
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		<title>By: Publicola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno how effective it was. 150 db is loud; about as loud as a shotgun. If these guys were firing small arms (presumably Ak&#039;s) &amp; RPG&#039;s I&#039;m not sure it would have caused them much more additional discomfort.

&amp; the attack lasted 90 minutes.

I&#039;m thinking the pirates just couldn&#039;t catch the cruise ship when it started hauling ass. They probably left when they ran low on fuel or ammo for the RPG&#039;s.

&amp; how much does this sonic weapon cost? Odds are a helluva lot more than a couple of surplus SMLE&#039;s or Garands &amp; 100 rounds for each - either of which could have taken care of the pirate attack decisively &amp; permanently &amp; most likely without having to reload.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno how effective it was. 150 db is loud; about as loud as a shotgun. If these guys were firing small arms (presumably Ak&#8217;s) &amp; RPG&#8217;s I&#8217;m not sure it would have caused them much more additional discomfort.</p>
<p>&amp; the attack lasted 90 minutes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking the pirates just couldn&#8217;t catch the cruise ship when it started hauling ass. They probably left when they ran low on fuel or ammo for the RPG&#8217;s.</p>
<p>&amp; how much does this sonic weapon cost? Odds are a helluva lot more than a couple of surplus SMLE&#8217;s or Garands &amp; 100 rounds for each &#8211; either of which could have taken care of the pirate attack decisively &amp; permanently &amp; most likely without having to reload.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why are we so sure they’re pirates and not, I don’t know, say terrorists?&quot;


Is there a difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why are we so sure they’re pirates and not, I don’t know, say terrorists?&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there a difference?</p>
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