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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/27/chimera/comment-page-1/#comment-22150</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, is classifying animals a largely pointless excercise with all these exceptions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, is classifying animals a largely pointless excercise with all these exceptions?</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/27/chimera/comment-page-1/#comment-22146</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, some reptiles and mammals have webbed feet (sea turtles and otters). AFAIK, all mammals including humans have webbed feet at some stage of prenatal development. Sometimes humans are born with webbed feet - the gene that causes the skin to pull back to the third knuckle didn&#039;t get turned on at the right time or fully. So it&#039;s no big trick for evolution to switch that gene off in the platypus.

Is one excretory hole a trait of birds or a trait birds and reptiles share? 

Egg-laying is a reptilian trait, although some reptiles carry the eggs inside their bodies until hatching. (Rattlesnakes, e.g.) So there&#039;s no surprise in seeing that carry over to the most primitive mammals. 

Turtles are reptiles, and they have beaks. http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Apr2003/1050350289.Ev.r.html 
So did some of the dicynodonts - a reptilian lineage that is often described as &quot;mammal-like&quot;. Obviously not all dicynodonts were beaked, since the name itself means &quot;two dog teeth.&quot; Or did they have a pair of fangs sticking out from their beaks?

Where the three traits (milk glands, hair, and warmblooded)  that identify mammals started is uncertain, since warmbloodedness does not leave a direct fossil record, hair rarely left fossil traces, and soft tissue like milk glands is even less likely to show up in fossils. Paleontologists are now leaning towards thinking that the &#039;raptors were feathery warm-blooded dinosaurs. It&#039;s not impossible that some the dicynodonts were hairy, warm-blooded, and secreted milk. That would make the platypus their least changed descendant, while marsupials evolved more, and placental mammals even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, some reptiles and mammals have webbed feet (sea turtles and otters). AFAIK, all mammals including humans have webbed feet at some stage of prenatal development. Sometimes humans are born with webbed feet &#8211; the gene that causes the skin to pull back to the third knuckle didn&#8217;t get turned on at the right time or fully. So it&#8217;s no big trick for evolution to switch that gene off in the platypus.</p>
<p>Is one excretory hole a trait of birds or a trait birds and reptiles share? </p>
<p>Egg-laying is a reptilian trait, although some reptiles carry the eggs inside their bodies until hatching. (Rattlesnakes, e.g.) So there&#8217;s no surprise in seeing that carry over to the most primitive mammals. </p>
<p>Turtles are reptiles, and they have beaks. <a href="http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Apr2003/1050350289.Ev.r.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Apr2003/1050350289.Ev.r.html</a><br />
So did some of the dicynodonts &#8211; a reptilian lineage that is often described as &#8220;mammal-like&#8221;. Obviously not all dicynodonts were beaked, since the name itself means &#8220;two dog teeth.&#8221; Or did they have a pair of fangs sticking out from their beaks?</p>
<p>Where the three traits (milk glands, hair, and warmblooded)  that identify mammals started is uncertain, since warmbloodedness does not leave a direct fossil record, hair rarely left fossil traces, and soft tissue like milk glands is even less likely to show up in fossils. Paleontologists are now leaning towards thinking that the &#8216;raptors were feathery warm-blooded dinosaurs. It&#8217;s not impossible that some the dicynodonts were hairy, warm-blooded, and secreted milk. That would make the platypus their least changed descendant, while marsupials evolved more, and placental mammals even more.</p>
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		<title>By: GORDON</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/27/chimera/comment-page-1/#comment-21758</link>
		<dc:creator>GORDON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deja vu...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deja vu&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thibodeaux</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/27/chimera/comment-page-1/#comment-21642</link>
		<dc:creator>Thibodeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in a presentation at work the other day, and the presenter said something like, &quot;Today we&#039;re going to discuss the evolution of such-and-such product of ours,&quot; and I said, &quot;Evolution?  I thought we used Intelligent Design here.&quot;

I crack me up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in a presentation at work the other day, and the presenter said something like, &#8220;Today we&#8217;re going to discuss the evolution of such-and-such product of ours,&#8221; and I said, &#8220;Evolution?  I thought we used Intelligent Design here.&#8221;</p>
<p>I crack me up.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/27/chimera/comment-page-1/#comment-21639</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does have pieces of birds (bill, webbed feet, only one exit hole for digestion, etc.)  And if there were a chimera of another sort, there&#039;d be a reason why it came into being.  I&#039;d say features that are useful can evolve across species independently.  Since it&#039;s about evolution and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does have pieces of birds (bill, webbed feet, only one exit hole for digestion, etc.)  And if there were a chimera of another sort, there&#8217;d be a reason why it came into being.  I&#8217;d say features that are useful can evolve across species independently.  Since it&#8217;s about evolution and all.</p>
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		<title>By: The Commissar</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/27/chimera/comment-page-1/#comment-21638</link>
		<dc:creator>The Commissar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 04:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The platypus evolved from primitive mammals that still had a lot of reptilian features, so it can be placed in the tree. It&#039;s not like it has pieces of birds, insects, mammals, and sponges. 

Neither does a Centaur.  But the difference is that mammals and reptiles are main branches, one that evolved off the other. Humans and horses (while &quot;minor&quot; branches) are widely separated within the mammal branch. (Clumsily worded, but it&#039;s the best I can do.)

More here:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/platypus.html

Including reference to fossil platypi with vestigial teeth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The platypus evolved from primitive mammals that still had a lot of reptilian features, so it can be placed in the tree. It&#8217;s not like it has pieces of birds, insects, mammals, and sponges. </p>
<p>Neither does a Centaur.  But the difference is that mammals and reptiles are main branches, one that evolved off the other. Humans and horses (while &#8220;minor&#8221; branches) are widely separated within the mammal branch. (Clumsily worded, but it&#8217;s the best I can do.)</p>
<p>More here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/platypus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/platypus.html</a></p>
<p>Including reference to fossil platypi with vestigial teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: GORDON</title>
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		<dc:creator>GORDON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolution?  Never heard of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evolution?  Never heard of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Thibodeaux</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/27/chimera/comment-page-1/#comment-21606</link>
		<dc:creator>Thibodeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drawfluffy.com/platypus.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;And they have just ONE orifice for #1 and #2&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.drawfluffy.com/platypus.html" rel="nofollow">And they have just ONE orifice for #1 and #2</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: joe public</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe public</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one.  I&#039;m heading Down Under to organize platypi into anti-ID demonstrations.

In no time, I&#039;ll have them all chanting, &quot;What, you call THIS intelligent?&quot; and wearing t-shirts that say &quot;MY intelligent designer was drunk at the time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one.  I&#8217;m heading Down Under to organize platypi into anti-ID demonstrations.</p>
<p>In no time, I&#8217;ll have them all chanting, &#8220;What, you call THIS intelligent?&#8221; and wearing t-shirts that say &#8220;MY intelligent designer was drunk at the time.&#8221;</p>
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