Comments on: More Glock Talk http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:55:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: bill http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-20421 bill Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:47:10 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-20421 Why is the lack of an external safety an issue with a Glock and not the identical issue with, have we forgot it's name, a revolver? The two are virtually identical in operation. Some revolvers even have enclosed hammers for concealed carry. As to the difference with a rifle and a Glock, a slung rifle is in danger from accidental triger pulling, especially during hunting. Same as with military rifles. Rough handling makes the difference. Personally I don't like Glocks, we just don't seem to get along well with tagets. But that's just me. I stick with my 40 year old 1911. Why is the lack of an external safety an issue with a Glock and not the identical issue with, have we forgot it’s name, a revolver? The two are virtually identical in operation. Some revolvers even have enclosed hammers for concealed carry.

As to the difference with a rifle and a Glock, a slung rifle is in danger from accidental triger pulling, especially during hunting. Same as with military rifles. Rough handling makes the difference.

Personally I don’t like Glocks, we just don’t seem to get along well with tagets. But that’s just me. I stick with my 40 year old 1911.

]]> By: john jay http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-20419 john jay Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:35:19 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-20419 Reason Number 1 is why I just bought a revolver as my first gun. I want to ingrain the habits of gun safety before I move on to anything else. The lack of mechanical safeties means that I have to practice safe handling at all times. My gun is always "live" unless I can see that the cylinder is open. I also consider the simplicity a safety feature. Pull the trigger and the gun shoots. I feel that, if I have to fiddle with the gun to make it shoot, that I might end up pointing the barrel the wrong way while I rack the slide or check the safeties or the chamber. Again, all of this will be learned in time, but I don't want my learning curve to endanger other people. Reason Number 1 is why I just bought a revolver as my first gun. I want to ingrain the habits of gun safety before I move on to anything else. The lack of mechanical safeties means that I have to practice safe handling at all times. My gun is always “live” unless I can see that the cylinder is open. I also consider the simplicity a safety feature. Pull the trigger and the gun shoots. I feel that, if I have to fiddle with the gun to make it shoot, that I might end up pointing the barrel the wrong way while I rack the slide or check the safeties or the chamber. Again, all of this will be learned in time, but I don’t want my learning curve to endanger other people.

]]> By: James R. Rummel http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-20411 James R. Rummel Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:10:03 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-20411 <i>When I take a newbie to the range, my focus is three things in order: 1- gun safety 2 - sight alignment & trigger squeeze 3 - having fun</i> Since I mainly deal with victims of violent crime, my focus is on gun safety and defense. The people who seek me out aren't in a fun frame of mind. Keep in mind my record. More than 600 students so far without a single accidental discharge, let alone an accident of any kind. It might well be that my opinion (Glocks are inappropriate for beginners) is wrong, but so far it seems to be working. Ravenwood on August 15, 2005 at 12:45 PM said... <i>I’ve read that before, and pretty much thought the same thing. Except I was more along the lines of “Does this guy teach them to randomly pull the trigger or what?”</i> If you ever get to the point where you've equalled 1/2 of my efforts to promote the shooting sports and support the 2nd Amendment, then you might have an opinion worth listening to. Judging by the comment I've excerpted, though, I really doubt you have the brains. James When I take a newbie to the range, my focus is three things in order:

1- gun safety
2 – sight alignment & trigger squeeze
3 – having fun

Since I mainly deal with victims of violent crime, my focus is on gun safety and defense. The people who seek me out aren’t in a fun frame of mind.

Keep in mind my record. More than 600 students so far without a single accidental discharge, let alone an accident of any kind. It might well be that my opinion (Glocks are inappropriate for beginners) is wrong, but so far it seems to be working.

Ravenwood on August 15, 2005 at 12:45 PM said…

I’ve read that before, and pretty much thought the same thing. Except I was more along the lines of “Does this guy teach them to randomly pull the trigger or what?”

If you ever get to the point where you’ve equalled 1/2 of my efforts to promote the shooting sports and support the 2nd Amendment, then you might have an opinion worth listening to. Judging by the comment I’ve excerpted, though, I really doubt you have the brains.

James

]]> By: Resistance is futile! http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-20305 Resistance is futile! Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:59:07 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-20305 <strong>Carnival of Cordite #27</strong> Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, gather 'round for Ye Olde Carnivale of Cordite! * * * First, two exciting things: As those of you able to count can tell, this is Carnival of Cordite #27. That means there have Carnival of Cordite #27

Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, gather ’round for Ye Olde Carnivale of Cordite! * * * First, two exciting things: As those of you able to count can tell, this is Carnival of Cordite #27. That means there have

]]> By: Cowboy Blob http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19988 Cowboy Blob Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:25:52 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19988 I keep the standard trigger in my carry Glock and the 3.5# in my match Glock. Nothing but hard plastic or rigid leather holsters that cover the trigger guard. Les, if I carried my rifle or shotgun with a trigger cover, I wouldn't need a safety on it either. I keep the standard trigger in my carry Glock and the 3.5# in my match Glock. Nothing but hard plastic or rigid leather holsters that cover the trigger guard. Les, if I carried my rifle or shotgun with a trigger cover, I wouldn’t need a safety on it either.

]]> By: Oxen http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19781 Oxen Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:06:46 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19781 Boy you guys that think the factory Glock trigger is to lite would really freak out if you fired my Glock. I've got the 3.5# in mine. I'm just extra careful when re-holstering to avoid shirt snags. Plus I use a solid plastic holster (Comp-Tac) that fully covers the trigger. There's no way I'd carry w/ a soft holster. Especially since I carry w/ one in the pipe. Boy you guys that think the factory Glock trigger is to lite would really freak out if you fired my Glock. I’ve got the 3.5# in mine.

I’m just extra careful when re-holstering to avoid shirt snags.

Plus I use a solid plastic holster (Comp-Tac) that fully covers the trigger.

There’s no way I’d carry w/ a soft holster.

Especially since I carry w/ one in the pipe.

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19456 SayUncle Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:55:49 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19456 I think justin nailed. Les, when you carry a rifle, it's usually on a sling (i.e., trigger exposed). When you carry a handgun, it should be holstered (i.e., trigger covered). They do install external safeties on glocks for about $120. I think justin nailed.

Les, when you carry a rifle, it’s usually on a sling (i.e., trigger exposed). When you carry a handgun, it should be holstered (i.e., trigger covered). They do install external safeties on glocks for about $120.

]]> By: Les Jones http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19453 Les Jones Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:24:10 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19453 Thing is, if the short and light trigger on a Glock is OK without a thumb safety, then every rifle or shotgun should be OK to carry with no safety, assuming they have the Glock's internal safeties to prevent inertia firing. Most people who are comfortable with Glocks wouldn't be comfortable carrying a loaded rifle that way. I actually like almost everything about the Glock except the light trigger/lack of thumb safety. They're super reliable, super corrosion resistant, the price is fair, the mag. capacity is great, and you can get them in all sizes and calibers. If/when I get one for serious use I'll put a NY trigger in it and be happy. Thing is, if the short and light trigger on a Glock is OK without a thumb safety, then every rifle or shotgun should be OK to carry with no safety, assuming they have the Glock’s internal safeties to prevent inertia firing. Most people who are comfortable with Glocks wouldn’t be comfortable carrying a loaded rifle that way.

I actually like almost everything about the Glock except the light trigger/lack of thumb safety. They’re super reliable, super corrosion resistant, the price is fair, the mag. capacity is great, and you can get them in all sizes and calibers. If/when I get one for serious use I’ll put a NY trigger in it and be happy.

]]> By: Justin http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19410 Justin Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:35:57 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19410 I bought a Sig .45 as my first gun and find it rather awkward and somewhat impossible to "pull the trigger" accidently when it is decocked (i.e. getting caught on clothing/holster). I think most of the Glock " I shot my leg when it got hung on my belt" cases are really "I shot my leg because I had my finger on the trigger and dont want to look like an idiot so I say it got hung on something else". I bought a Sig .45 as my first gun and find it rather awkward and somewhat impossible to “pull the trigger” accidently when it is decocked (i.e. getting caught on clothing/holster). I think most of the Glock ” I shot my leg when it got hung on my belt” cases are really “I shot my leg because I had my finger on the trigger and dont want to look like an idiot so I say it got hung on something else”.

]]> By: Stormy Dragon http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19342 Stormy Dragon Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:50:28 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19342 I've never liked Glocks myself, due largely to the lack of an externally visible hammer. I realize it's just my own personal neurosis, but for some reason, hammerless handguns just bug the crap out of me. I’ve never liked Glocks myself, due largely to the lack of an externally visible hammer. I realize it’s just my own personal neurosis, but for some reason, hammerless handguns just bug the crap out of me.

]]> By: Matt http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19337 Matt Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:08:13 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19337 To me, it's not that glocks don't have a manual safety that's the problem. It's that the trigger pull on a factory glock is way too light for a pistol without a manual safety. Fingers aren't the only things that can pull a trigger, after all. Clothing, etc., can snag on a trigger even when rule 3 is followed religiously, and a 3-4 pound trigger is much more likely to go off in such a situation than a heavy double action trigger. So I think they need either a manual safety or a heavier trigger. -m@ To me, it’s not that glocks don’t have a manual safety that’s the problem. It’s that the trigger pull on a factory glock is way too light for a pistol without a manual safety.

Fingers aren’t the only things that can pull a trigger, after all. Clothing, etc., can snag on a trigger even when rule 3 is followed religiously, and a 3-4 pound trigger is much more likely to go off in such a situation than a heavy double action trigger.

So I think they need either a manual safety or a heavier trigger.

-m@

]]> By: Drake http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19336 Drake Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:50:46 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19336 My first pistol I owned myself was a Glock and loved it. Still have one today, although I don't shoot it much anymore. I wouldn't consider buying one now really because well, I just don't think they are stylish or unique anymore. My first pistol I owned myself was a Glock and loved it. Still have one today, although I don’t shoot it much anymore. I wouldn’t consider buying one now really because well, I just don’t think they are stylish or unique anymore.

]]> By: Ravenwood http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19320 Ravenwood Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:45:56 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19320 I've read that before, and pretty much thought the same thing. Except I was more along the lines of "Does this guy teach them to randomly pull the trigger or what?" I’ve read that before, and pretty much thought the same thing. Except I was more along the lines of “Does this guy teach them to randomly pull the trigger or what?”

]]> By: d http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/comment-page-1/#comment-19222 d Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:18:43 +0000 http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/08/15/more_glock_talk/#comment-19222 helpful as well, thanks again. helpful as well, thanks again.

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