Comments on: If guns cause crime . . . http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/01/if_guns_cause_crime_/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:33:21 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: tgirsch http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/01/if_guns_cause_crime_/comment-page-1/#comment-17777 tgirsch Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:31:22 +0000 /?p=6153#comment-17777 And BTW, I don't think anyone seriously argues that "guns cause crime." The actual argument is probably something closer to this: given a situation where a crime is likely, that situation is worse with guns than it would be without. Or, at worst, that guns <i>enable</i> crime (not cause it). You can agree or disagree with these statements, and that's fine, but that's better than misrepresenting the arguments of your opponents. And BTW, I don’t think anyone seriously argues that “guns cause crime.” The actual argument is probably something closer to this: given a situation where a crime is likely, that situation is worse with guns than it would be without. Or, at worst, that guns enable crime (not cause it). You can agree or disagree with these statements, and that’s fine, but that’s better than misrepresenting the arguments of your opponents.

]]> By: tgirsch http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/01/if_guns_cause_crime_/comment-page-1/#comment-17776 tgirsch Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:28:04 +0000 /?p=6153#comment-17776 Actually, I don't like correlation alone, either. But if you're trying to solve a violent crime problem (specifically gun-related crime), there are two immediate solutions that spring to mind: try to make guns harder to get, or try to address the underlying problems that are driving the crime rate in the first place. In my estimation, the latter is the correct thing to do, while the former is mostly a waste of time. Problem is, the Democrats in this country generally try to do both, while the Republicans try to do neither. Actually, I don’t like correlation alone, either. But if you’re trying to solve a violent crime problem (specifically gun-related crime), there are two immediate solutions that spring to mind: try to make guns harder to get, or try to address the underlying problems that are driving the crime rate in the first place.

In my estimation, the latter is the correct thing to do, while the former is mostly a waste of time. Problem is, the Democrats in this country generally try to do both, while the Republicans try to do neither.

]]> By: Les Jones http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/01/if_guns_cause_crime_/comment-page-1/#comment-17764 Les Jones Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:34:16 +0000 /?p=6153#comment-17764 Obviously, if guns cause crime and Swiss guns don't cause crime, then Swiss guns are defective. QED. Obviously, if guns cause crime and Swiss guns don’t cause crime, then Swiss guns are defective. QED.

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/01/if_guns_cause_crime_/comment-page-1/#comment-17763 SayUncle Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:22:26 +0000 /?p=6153#comment-17763 Tom, I don't place any faith in corelation. However, since the cries of the anti-gunnies is that guns cause crime, switzerland would have a ton of it. Also, Wheelgun leaves out the fact that, marksmanship events aside, switzerland has pretty strict laws regarding the 'bearing' of their arms. Tom, I don’t place any faith in corelation. However, since the cries of the anti-gunnies is that guns cause crime, switzerland would have a ton of it.

Also, Wheelgun leaves out the fact that, marksmanship events aside, switzerland has pretty strict laws regarding the ‘bearing’ of their arms.

]]> By: tgirsch http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/01/if_guns_cause_crime_/comment-page-1/#comment-17762 tgirsch Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:19:17 +0000 /?p=6153#comment-17762 I'm gonna go with <a href="http://www.pnhp.org/news/2004/august/is_switzerlands_heal.php" target="newwindow">"Consumer Driven" Universal Health Care</a>, coupled with a child poverty rate <a href="http://www.swissworld.org/eng/swissworld.html?siteSect=305&sid=4019908&rubricId=11050" target="newwindow">less than a third</a> that of the US combining to form a situation where there's less need (or incentive) to turn to crime. Nah, you're probably right, it's the guns. I’m gonna go with “Consumer Driven” Universal Health Care, coupled with a child poverty rate less than a third that of the US combining to form a situation where there’s less need (or incentive) to turn to crime.

Nah, you’re probably right, it’s the guns.

]]> By: Ravenwood http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/08/01/if_guns_cause_crime_/comment-page-1/#comment-17753 Ravenwood Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:26:47 +0000 /?p=6153#comment-17753 Because they're more enlightened than us neanderthals in America. Because they’re more enlightened than us neanderthals in America.

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