And you point out a problem with American politics that probably dates back to the advent of the TeeVee: somewhere along the lines, charisma became more important than knowing what the fuck you’re doing.

Scoop Jackson and Jack Kennedy are dead. Lieberman is about as exciting as cold oatmeal. I hear Ried used to be a moderate until they stuck Daschle’s brain in his head. Don’t know much about Baucus, except that he’s from Montana, which is at least one thing in his favor.

They tried to by making him the chair, you never should hear anything out of those guys.

should have been more clear since she was implying that bush killed tens of thousands of people.

gonna call bullshit on that one

I think even the most conservative counts/estimates bear that out by now. Iraq Body Count: ~23000 minimum. Others are higher; the (unjustly condemned) Lancet study estimate centers at ~98000.

How many do you think have died in Iraq? You may decide it’s worth it compared to indefinite Saddam tyranny, but to simply deny it won’t do, I think.

I disagree about Dean, too; like WhitesCreek says over at “no silence here,” I think you guys have more in common than you believe.

Gonna call bullshit on that one.

Come around to Hillary? Unlikely, unless she changes her stance on guns, grand theft auto, universal healthcare and all the other stupid things she’s advocated. And people will vote for her merely for the D after her name.

i hope people in your shoes will come around to hillary clinton. she’s smart and she’s tough. she also cares about average americans in ways the republican leaders just aren’t showing they do.