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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/12/22/walmart_sued_over_suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-11680</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gather there&#039;s another part to this; this woman assaulted a customer in the other Walmart. I don&#039;t know why that didn&#039;t result in charges that showed up in the background check. But this claim also opens up some nasty cans of worms.

If I was sole proprietor of a gun shop, and I saw someone commit an assault somewhere else, I might conclude that whether or not this resulted in a court record that would cause the instant-check to reject her, I thought she was too violent or unstable and I wouldn&#039;t sell her any gun. But after I banned her from my shop, I wouldn&#039;t pass notes around to other gun shops like, &quot;Jane Doe is psycho and shouldn&#039;t have a gun.&quot; That would likely be slander, unless and until there was a court felony conviction or other finding that she was dangerous and couldn&#039;t own a gun. Not to mention that it would be conspiring with other shop owners to deny her a constitutional right...

In this case, the lawsuit implies they not only want possibly slanderous notes passed around, but they want a clerk in another department to pass the notes to gun shops in thousands of Walmart stores, with or without any indication that she would ever attempt to buy a gun. That is, this lawsuit is an attempt to use governmental power to coerce a private business into doing something that the government shouldn&#039;t be able to do without a court hearing and private individuals shouldn&#039;t do at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gather there&#8217;s another part to this; this woman assaulted a customer in the other Walmart. I don&#8217;t know why that didn&#8217;t result in charges that showed up in the background check. But this claim also opens up some nasty cans of worms.</p>
<p>If I was sole proprietor of a gun shop, and I saw someone commit an assault somewhere else, I might conclude that whether or not this resulted in a court record that would cause the instant-check to reject her, I thought she was too violent or unstable and I wouldn&#8217;t sell her any gun. But after I banned her from my shop, I wouldn&#8217;t pass notes around to other gun shops like, &#8220;Jane Doe is psycho and shouldn&#8217;t have a gun.&#8221; That would likely be slander, unless and until there was a court felony conviction or other finding that she was dangerous and couldn&#8217;t own a gun. Not to mention that it would be conspiring with other shop owners to deny her a constitutional right&#8230;</p>
<p>In this case, the lawsuit implies they not only want possibly slanderous notes passed around, but they want a clerk in another department to pass the notes to gun shops in thousands of Walmart stores, with or without any indication that she would ever attempt to buy a gun. That is, this lawsuit is an attempt to use governmental power to coerce a private business into doing something that the government shouldn&#8217;t be able to do without a court hearing and private individuals shouldn&#8217;t do at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Publicola</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/12/22/walmart_sued_over_suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-11667</link>
		<dc:creator>Publicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually suing the state of Texas could be bad. namely it could cause them to adopt a law that makes mental health records available for background checks.

Now w/o going into my opposition of background checks on general principles speech, it&#039;s a bad idea for a very practical reason:

Only a small fraction of people who would be denied would have posed a problem in the first place. &amp; that&#039;s using what you (not I) would think is a reaosnable standard. But you know damn well it won&#039;t stay reasonable for long, &amp; just like people sentenced to one day of a paperwork crime that carries a 1 year + penalty are denied arms, so would anyone who went to a marraige counselor. In other words there&#039;d be too little net gain to justify the very real slide down that particualr slope.

as an aside incident slike this have caused some wal marts (&amp; other stores) to not seel ammo to you when you purchase a gun. Last time I bought from wallyworld I even got the &quot;you&#039;re a toddler again&quot; escort out of the store &amp; couldn&#039;t actually hold the box until I wa sin the parking lot. Got into a nice little chat with the escorter over it but other than causing the at the time g/f to roll her eyes at both of us it didn&#039;t do much good. company policy &amp; all.

ut at the least look for a change for the worse in how wal mart conducts transactions because of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually suing the state of Texas could be bad. namely it could cause them to adopt a law that makes mental health records available for background checks.</p>
<p>Now w/o going into my opposition of background checks on general principles speech, it&#8217;s a bad idea for a very practical reason:</p>
<p>Only a small fraction of people who would be denied would have posed a problem in the first place. &#038; that&#8217;s using what you (not I) would think is a reaosnable standard. But you know damn well it won&#8217;t stay reasonable for long, &#038; just like people sentenced to one day of a paperwork crime that carries a 1 year + penalty are denied arms, so would anyone who went to a marraige counselor. In other words there&#8217;d be too little net gain to justify the very real slide down that particualr slope.</p>
<p>as an aside incident slike this have caused some wal marts (&#038; other stores) to not seel ammo to you when you purchase a gun. Last time I bought from wallyworld I even got the &#8220;you&#8217;re a toddler again&#8221; escort out of the store &#038; couldn&#8217;t actually hold the box until I wa sin the parking lot. Got into a nice little chat with the escorter over it but other than causing the at the time g/f to roll her eyes at both of us it didn&#8217;t do much good. company policy &#038; all.</p>
<p>ut at the least look for a change for the worse in how wal mart conducts transactions because of this.</p>
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		<title>By: F-Stop</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/12/22/walmart_sued_over_suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-11666</link>
		<dc:creator>F-Stop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very sad...I really don&#039;t like Wal-Mart, but regardless, they done everything by the books.  Case closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very sad&#8230;I really don&#8217;t like Wal-Mart, but regardless, they done everything by the books.  Case closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinomed</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/12/22/walmart_sued_over_suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-11665</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinomed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, Walmart is sued every few hours.
They will most likely toss her some cash and tell her to shut the hell up.

As per Kim&#039;s suggestion, I try not to buy gun related stuff at walmart as it is just a stocking item to them, if the heat gets on they would not be going to bat for gun rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, Walmart is sued every few hours.<br />
They will most likely toss her some cash and tell her to shut the hell up.</p>
<p>As per Kim&#8217;s suggestion, I try not to buy gun related stuff at walmart as it is just a stocking item to them, if the heat gets on they would not be going to bat for gun rights.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s someone hoping wal-mart will settle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s someone hoping wal-mart will settle.</p>
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