Comments on: 300,000,000 in this country and these are the two best candidates? http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:33:21 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: tgirsch http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-9212 tgirsch Sun, 03 Oct 2004 04:29:45 +0000 /?p=3858#comment-9212 I don't know why you insist on calling me "Tim," because I'm "Tom." Anyway, I'm not sure you were "more right." I guess it depends on how you define "significant." Is it 20%? 50%? 80%? The larger point is how Bush is tried to spin it. Bush was trying to paint Kerry's statement as an intent to cut and run if he's elected, and that's simply not what Kerry advocates. Particularly if you consider how Kerry plans on pulling those troops -- by replacing them with <i>UN</i> (or at least international) forces. Kerry has been very consistent on the need to internationalize the presence on the ground in Iraq, to dispel the perception that this is a US occupation, rather than just benign peacekeeping. I don’t know why you insist on calling me “Tim,” because I’m “Tom.” Anyway, I’m not sure you were “more right.” I guess it depends on how you define “significant.” Is it 20%? 50%? 80%? The larger point is how Bush is tried to spin it. Bush was trying to paint Kerry’s statement as an intent to cut and run if he’s elected, and that’s simply not what Kerry advocates. Particularly if you consider how Kerry plans on pulling those troops — by replacing them with UN (or at least international) forces.

Kerry has been very consistent on the need to internationalize the presence on the ground in Iraq, to dispel the perception that this is a US occupation, rather than just benign peacekeeping.

]]> By: mike hollihan http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-9207 mike hollihan Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:22:18 +0000 /?p=3858#comment-9207 Tim, we were both wrong! But I had it more right: Kerry Pledged To "Significantly" Reduce Troops In Iraq Within Six Months Of Taking Office. "Kerry and Rubin also are detailing a new Iraq policy to 'significantly' reduce the number of U.S. troops in Iraq during the first six months of a Kerry administration." (Jim VandeHei and Mary Fitzgerald, "Kerry Defends Position On Iraq," The Washington Post, 8/8/04)" Tim, we were both wrong! But I had it more right:

Kerry Pledged To “Significantly” Reduce Troops In Iraq Within Six Months Of Taking Office. “Kerry and Rubin also are detailing a new Iraq policy to ’significantly’ reduce the number of U.S. troops in Iraq during the first six months of a Kerry administration.” (Jim VandeHei and Mary Fitzgerald, “Kerry Defends Position On Iraq,” The Washington Post, 8/8/04)”

]]> By: tgirsch http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-9197 tgirsch Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:45:59 +0000 /?p=3858#comment-9197 <b>Mike:</b> Then you misheard him. He never said the troops would be out in six months. He said he would be able to <i>start</i> bringing them home in six months. That's a <i>huge</i> difference. Mike:

Then you misheard him. He never said the troops would be out in six months. He said he would be able to start bringing them home in six months. That’s a huge difference.

]]> By: mike hollihan http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-9194 mike hollihan Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:29:20 +0000 /?p=3858#comment-9194 tgirsch: "That Kerry claimed the troops would be out in six months?" I saw Kerry say that on MTP with Russert a couple of months ago and remember being struck by it. "He'll pay for that," I thought. "That's clear cut'n'run." tgirsch: “That Kerry claimed the troops would be out in six months?”

I saw Kerry say that on MTP with Russert a couple of months ago and remember being struck by it. “He’ll pay for that,” I thought. “That’s clear cut’n'run.”

]]> By: tgirsch http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-9192 tgirsch Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:55:16 +0000 /?p=3858#comment-9192 <b>Uncle:</b> <blockquote>Kerry: Bush guarded oil wells and I have a plan (one I can’t talk about, apparently).</blockquote>I thought he spoke quite clearly about his plans. About as much detail as I could ever want or expect in a two minute answer. In any case, he was <i>much</i> more specific than Bush was. Kerry: [High-level details of plan for proceeding.] Bush: He's a flip-flopper! He sends mixed messages! He lacks my resolve! What will <i>I</i> do? Uhh, let me ask Dick and Karl... ;) Uncle:

Kerry: Bush guarded oil wells and I have a plan (one I can’t talk about, apparently).

I thought he spoke quite clearly about his plans. About as much detail as I could ever want or expect in a two minute answer. In any case, he was much more specific than Bush was.

Kerry: [High-level details of plan for proceeding.]
Bush: He’s a flip-flopper! He sends mixed messages! He lacks my resolve! What will I do? Uhh, let me ask Dick and Karl…

;)

]]> By: Brian A. http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-9187 Brian A. Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:25:56 +0000 /?p=3858#comment-9187 <i>300,000,000 in this country and these are the two best candidates?</i> That's what I was thinking early on. Fortunately, Kerry got better as the event moved on. Bush, meanwhile, seemed to get worse. 300,000,000 in this country and these are the two best candidates?

That’s what I was thinking early on. Fortunately, Kerry got better as the event moved on. Bush, meanwhile, seemed to get worse.

]]> By: tgirsch http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-9186 tgirsch Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:48:26 +0000 /?p=3858#comment-9186 <b>homebru:</b> More falsehoods, eh? Such as? 100,000 Iraqi peacekeepers already trained, when there are actually only 53,000? Oh wait, that one was Bush. 75% of Al-Qaeda gone? Oh wait, that was Bush, too... Crap! That Kerry claimed the troops would be out in six months? Oops, that lie was Bush's, too. From what I can tell, Kerry exaggerated a few things, whereas Bush said things that were patently false. But don't listen to me. Check <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134160,00.html" target="newwindow">Fox News</a>. homebru:

More falsehoods, eh? Such as? 100,000 Iraqi peacekeepers already trained, when there are actually only 53,000? Oh wait, that one was Bush. 75% of Al-Qaeda gone? Oh wait, that was Bush, too… Crap! That Kerry claimed the troops would be out in six months? Oops, that lie was Bush’s, too. From what I can tell, Kerry exaggerated a few things, whereas Bush said things that were patently false.

But don’t listen to me. Check Fox News.

]]> By: AlphaPatriot http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-9183 AlphaPatriot Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:20:55 +0000 /?p=3858#comment-9183 <strong>Finally, Bush Hits his Stride</strong> Almost an hour into the debate and Bush if finally settling down and kicking some ass.Say Uncle disagrees.... Finally, Bush Hits his Stride
Almost an hour into the debate and Bush if finally settling down and kicking some ass.Say Uncle disagrees….

]]> By: homebru http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/30/300000000_in_this_country_and_these_are_two_best_candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-9182 homebru Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:17:13 +0000 /?p=3858#comment-9182 The problem seems to be that Kerry can spout more falsehoods in two minutes than can be refuted in 90 seconds. The problem seems to be that Kerry can spout more falsehoods in two minutes than can be refuted in 90 seconds.

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