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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/17/death_penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-8937</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Uncle is right, though, that OJ alsmost certianly would not have gotten the death penalty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;But is this because he&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;rich&lt;/i&gt; black guy, or because he&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;celebrity&lt;/i&gt;?  If OJ had been an &lt;i&gt;anonymous&lt;/i&gt; rich black guy, he was still unlikely to get the DP, I&#039;ll grant, but I suspect OJ&#039;s celebrity status (particularly as a former pro athlete, which Americans tend to deify) would have had more to do with it than his wealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Uncle is right, though, that OJ alsmost certianly would not have gotten the death penalty.</p></blockquote>
<p>But is this because he&#8217;s a <i>rich</i> black guy, or because he&#8217;s a <i>celebrity</i>?  If OJ had been an <i>anonymous</i> rich black guy, he was still unlikely to get the DP, I&#8217;ll grant, but I suspect OJ&#8217;s celebrity status (particularly as a former pro athlete, which Americans tend to deify) would have had more to do with it than his wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/17/death_penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-8934</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I honestly don’t know the answer to this, but is it really just a rich/poor thing, or is it used disproportionately on minorities even when you break offenders into classes like that?&quot;

Yes, at least for poor people.  Poor blacks ar emore liekly than poor whites by to get the death penalty for similiar crimes.  Uncle is right, though, that OJ alsmost certianly would not have gotten the death penalty.

Where race is really nasty in this process, though, is when the victim is taken into account.  Blacks who kill whites are the most likely to get the death penalty, followed by Blacks who kill blacks, followed by whites who kill whites, followed by whites who kill blacks, IIRC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I honestly don’t know the answer to this, but is it really just a rich/poor thing, or is it used disproportionately on minorities even when you break offenders into classes like that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, at least for poor people.  Poor blacks ar emore liekly than poor whites by to get the death penalty for similiar crimes.  Uncle is right, though, that OJ alsmost certianly would not have gotten the death penalty.</p>
<p>Where race is really nasty in this process, though, is when the victim is taken into account.  Blacks who kill whites are the most likely to get the death penalty, followed by Blacks who kill blacks, followed by whites who kill whites, followed by whites who kill blacks, IIRC.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/17/death_penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-8933</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Uncle:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But if OJ had been convicted where there was a death penalty, i doubt he’d have gotten it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;But even if true, that still wouldn&#039;t make the point.  You could still have a system where a rich black guy is far less likely to get the DP than a poor white guy, but the poor white guy is still far less likely to get it than a poor &lt;i&gt;black&lt;/i&gt; guy.  And it could be that a rich &lt;i&gt;white&lt;/i&gt; guy would be &lt;i&gt;even less likely&lt;/i&gt; than OJ to get the DP.  Without decent statistics, there&#039;s no way of knowing, but I suspect both factors (race and financial status) have seperate but profound effects on the likelihood of being sentenced to death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Uncle:</b><br />
<blockquote>But if OJ had been convicted where there was a death penalty, i doubt he’d have gotten it.</p></blockquote>
<p>But even if true, that still wouldn&#8217;t make the point.  You could still have a system where a rich black guy is far less likely to get the DP than a poor white guy, but the poor white guy is still far less likely to get it than a poor <i>black</i> guy.  And it could be that a rich <i>white</i> guy would be <i>even less likely</i> than OJ to get the DP.  Without decent statistics, there&#8217;s no way of knowing, but I suspect both factors (race and financial status) have seperate but profound effects on the likelihood of being sentenced to death.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin T. Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin T. Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s expensive to kill people and keep them on death row for decades.&lt;/i&gt;

If you do it &lt;i&gt;in that order&lt;/i&gt;, expense is the least of your problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s expensive to kill people and keep them on death row for decades.</i></p>
<p>If you do it <i>in that order</i>, expense is the least of your problems.</p>
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		<title>By: cube</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea i really don&#039;t care about it being used on poor people more, because they are commiting the most crimes, so that is only fair, but i am against the death penalty being used as much as it is used in texas.  

The cost of killing some one, the giant buearcy that it creates, and the fact that mistakes happen are important to me.

though in extreme cases (such as timithy mcviegh) i do support it

their are pros to using it less, though i don&#039;t support abolishing it.

and also you can get a lot of manual labor out of a person who is sensented for life. You don&#039;t have to provide them with a comfortable life either, that would save a lot of money</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea i really don&#8217;t care about it being used on poor people more, because they are commiting the most crimes, so that is only fair, but i am against the death penalty being used as much as it is used in texas.  </p>
<p>The cost of killing some one, the giant buearcy that it creates, and the fact that mistakes happen are important to me.</p>
<p>though in extreme cases (such as timithy mcviegh) i do support it</p>
<p>their are pros to using it less, though i don&#8217;t support abolishing it.</p>
<p>and also you can get a lot of manual labor out of a person who is sensented for life. You don&#8217;t have to provide them with a comfortable life either, that would save a lot of money</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno.  But if OJ had been convicted where there was a death penalty, i doubt he&#039;d have gotten it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno.  But if OJ had been convicted where there was a death penalty, i doubt he&#8217;d have gotten it.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/17/death_penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-8911</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is used an disproportionate amount against minorities, which is code for it is used on poor people more than rich people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;But is that really the code?  I honestly don&#039;t know the answer to this, but is it really just a rich/poor thing, or is it used disproportionately on minorities even when you break offenders into classes like that?  For example, is a poor white murderer less likely to be executed than a poor black murderer?  I don&#039;t know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is used an disproportionate amount against minorities, which is code for it is used on poor people more than rich people.</p></blockquote>
<p>But is that really the code?  I honestly don&#8217;t know the answer to this, but is it really just a rich/poor thing, or is it used disproportionately on minorities even when you break offenders into classes like that?  For example, is a poor white murderer less likely to be executed than a poor black murderer?  I don&#8217;t know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/2004/09/17/death_penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-8910</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add that it&#039;s a punishment for which there is absolutely no remedy.  Now if you could &lt;i&gt;absolutely guarantee&lt;/i&gt; with 100% certainty that you would &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; execute an innocent person, &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; I might be persuaded.  But there&#039;s simply no way to guarantee that, so as far as I&#039;m concerned, the death penalty is a non-starter.

What&#039;s interesting (to me, anyway) is that my in-laws, who are ultra-conservative and think Bush walks on water, oppose the death penalty.  They used to support it.  I&#039;m not sure what changed their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that it&#8217;s a punishment for which there is absolutely no remedy.  Now if you could <i>absolutely guarantee</i> with 100% certainty that you would <i>never</i> execute an innocent person, <i>then</i> I might be persuaded.  But there&#8217;s simply no way to guarantee that, so as far as I&#8217;m concerned, the death penalty is a non-starter.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting (to me, anyway) is that my in-laws, who are ultra-conservative and think Bush walks on water, oppose the death penalty.  They used to support it.  I&#8217;m not sure what changed their minds.</p>
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